[DUG] Oh oh - Delphi is apparently not good for your CV

Mon Sep 7 10:40:43 NZST 2020

As much as I love Delphi, the component installation process has always
bugged me, but I just put it down to it just being one of the things to
deal with. It does mean you have to have a thinking about and plan your
upgrades, which is a good thing.
We heard back from Embarcadero and we didnt get very far with our pricing.
We have renewed out lics because we were running out of time, but I suspect
that this might be our last upgrade year as well. I cant speak for other
teams that use it at my workplace, but when we are getting significant
price breaks from M$ its just too hard to look my manager in the eye when
she sees the prices.
And look. I realise that M$ and Emb are at different ends of the company
size spectrum and M$ can prob. afford to do it, Its just a shame.

Anyway, it is what it is.

Jeremy

On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 10:20 AM Tony Blomfield <tonyb at precepthealth.com>
wrote:

> Greetings Jeremy, Jan et al.
>
>
>
> I have used Delphi since 1994 and completed at least 100 successful
> projects.
>
>
>
> I agree with your comments below. IT is simply too expensive. I use DevX,
> Report Builder, TChart Pro, and TRichview in addition. The cost is simply
> far too high, and every new release means I have to install all of the
> above which can take up to a week.
>
>
>
> The cost is simply too high.
>
>
>
> Delphi lacks the sort of rich functionality that I need, and so I have to
> purchase these other tool sets.
>
>
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> This could be fixed either by Embarcadero limiting their releases to once
> every 5 years, or by working closer with these companies closer.
>
>
>
> Consequently 10.4 is probably my last subscription to them sadly.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Tony Blomfield
>
>
>
> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:
> delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Coulter
> *Sent:* Sunday, 9 August 2020 11:39 AM
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List <
> delphi at listserver.123.net.nz>
> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Oh oh - Delphi is apparently not good for your CV
>
>
>
> The company I work for has been a Delphi client for many years with a
> number of licences. Its getting harder and harder to justify the cost of
> the licence renewals. This year we have asked Embarcadero to sharpen their
> pencil! We are a charity and make no profit so we are not writing apps for
> commercial gain etc etc. We are awaiting their reply.....
>
>
>
> Jeremy
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>
>
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020, 16:12 Jan Bakuwel, <jan.bakuwel at omiha.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Well... what to say about this? I've, very reluctantly, decided to
> abandon Delphi for anything new after nearly 3 decades as I can't afford
> the perpetual upgrades for Delphi and components for my two small (start
> up) businesses. While old(er) versions of Delphi are fine if you're only
> targeting Windows, that changes to "must keep upgrading" when you're
> also targeting MacOS, i(Pad)OS or Android, and perhaps increasingly so
> for Windows too. Not because of new features but often due to bugs that
> won't be fixed in older versions. I recall spending countless hours
> creating work arounds for bugs in the MacOS runtime in XE5 and reading
> about unresolved Android issues in recent versions.
>
> While I think the Community Edition is a good start, it's limitations
> are too limiting. When development resources are tight and revenue is
> virtually absent, as they often are in start ups, using "crippled"
> development environments is not very appealing.
>
> >From a software engineering and security point of view C has some
> serious issues (IMHO) but to my surprise according to Tiobe it's the
> most popular programming language: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index,
> quite possibly due to the massive code base (ie. I don't think you can't
> derive from this index that C is the best language). Delphi ranks 27th.
> Below Assembly language.
>
> I'm not saying the Tiobe index is true, in fact I saw it for the first
> time today so what do I know :-). I guess what I'm saying is there could
> well be other reasons why Delphi might (is?) dropping in popularity.
> Ever since the Borland times, small developers appreciated Delphi,
> precisely because they got a quality powerful development environment
> for an affordable price. That is sadly no longer the case. I guess the
> business model works for Embarcadero and it's equity masters but not for
> me.
>
> cheers
> Jan
>
>
> On 4/08/20 9:02 pm, John Bird wrote:
> > You are not making the elementary mistake of "because it's on the
> Internet
> > it must be true"  are you?
> >
> > You can just say "Anders H" being the author of both Delphi and .NET,
> and at
> > least with Delphi you can take a 10 or 15 year old program and it is
> easy or
> > easy enough to build it with the latest version.   Can you do that with
> the
> > MS world??
> >
> > A shrewder survey would be to ask not only what tools people like at
> work,
> > but also which tools they most love to use for projects of their own.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tony Blomfield
> > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:47 PM
> > To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> > Subject: Re: [DUG] Oh oh - Delphi is apparently not good for your CV
> >
> > Pretty true actually. I get sneered at by JS and .NET guru's when I
> mention
> > Delphi.
> >
> > It's a strange attitude. Delphi is arguably the best tool kit for
> vertical
> > solution development.
> >
> > The only negative I have is the cost of maintain it up to date. Delphi +
> > DevX + TChart + RB. Round 4K per year.
> >
> > T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz
> > [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] On Behalf Of Jay Daley
> > Sent: Sunday, 12 July 2020 11:10 AM
> > To: delphi at listserver.123.net.nz
> > Subject: [DUG] Oh oh - Delphi is apparently not good for your CV
> >
> > This article is entitled "If you want to get a job, remove these skills
> from
> > your CV" and hidden among such things as 'filing' and 'packaging' is a
> skill
> > dear to many of our hearts:
> >
> >
> https://www.indy100.com/article/job-cv-writing-employment-skills-applying-roles-7734016
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > --
> > Jay Daley
>
>
>
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