<div dir="ltr">As much as I love Delphi, the component installation process has always bugged me, but I just put it down to it just being one of the things to deal with. It does mean you have to have a thinking about and plan your upgrades, which is a good thing.<div>We heard back from Embarcadero and we didnt get very far with our pricing.</div><div>We have renewed out lics because we were running out of time, but I suspect that this might be our last upgrade year as well. I cant speak for other teams that use it at my workplace, but when we are getting significant price breaks from M$ its just too hard to look my manager in the eye when she sees the prices.</div><div>And look. I realise that M$ and Emb are at different ends of the company size spectrum and M$ can prob. afford to do it, Its just a shame.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, it is what it is.</div><div><br></div><div>Jeremy</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 10:20 AM Tony Blomfield <<a href="mailto:tonyb@precepthealth.com">tonyb@precepthealth.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Greetings Jeremy, Jan et al.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I have used Delphi since 1994 and completed at least 100 successful projects.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I agree with your comments below. IT is simply too expensive. I use DevX, Report Builder, TChart Pro, and TRichview in addition. The
cost is simply far too high, and every new release means I have to install all of the above which can take up to a week.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The cost is simply too high.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Delphi lacks the sort of rich functionality that I need, and so I have to purchase these other tool sets.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">This could be fixed either by Embarcadero limiting their releases to once every 5 years, or by working closer with these companies
closer.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Consequently 10.4 is probably my last subscription to them sadly.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kind regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Tony Blomfield
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeremy Coulter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 9 August 2020 11:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List <<a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Oh oh - Delphi is apparently not good for your CV<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The company I work for has been a Delphi client for many years with a number of licences. Its getting harder and harder to justify the cost of the licence renewals. This year we have asked Embarcadero to sharpen their pencil! We are a charity
and make no profit so we are not writing apps for commercial gain etc etc. We are awaiting their reply.....<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, 8 Aug 2020, 16:12 Jan Bakuwel, <<a href="mailto:jan.bakuwel@omiha.com" target="_blank">jan.bakuwel@omiha.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<br>
<br>
Well... what to say about this? I've, very reluctantly, decided to<br>
abandon Delphi for anything new after nearly 3 decades as I can't afford<br>
the perpetual upgrades for Delphi and components for my two small (start<br>
up) businesses. While old(er) versions of Delphi are fine if you're only<br>
targeting Windows, that changes to "must keep upgrading" when you're<br>
also targeting MacOS, i(Pad)OS or Android, and perhaps increasingly so<br>
for Windows too. Not because of new features but often due to bugs that<br>
won't be fixed in older versions. I recall spending countless hours<br>
creating work arounds for bugs in the MacOS runtime in XE5 and reading<br>
about unresolved Android issues in recent versions.<br>
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While I think the Community Edition is a good start, it's limitations<br>
are too limiting. When development resources are tight and revenue is<br>
virtually absent, as they often are in start ups, using "crippled"<br>
development environments is not very appealing.<br>
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>From a software engineering and security point of view C has some<br>
serious issues (IMHO) but to my surprise according to Tiobe it's the<br>
most popular programming language: <a href="https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index" target="_blank">
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index</a>,<br>
quite possibly due to the massive code base (ie. I don't think you can't<br>
derive from this index that C is the best language). Delphi ranks 27th.<br>
Below Assembly language.<br>
<br>
I'm not saying the Tiobe index is true, in fact I saw it for the first<br>
time today so what do I know :-). I guess what I'm saying is there could<br>
well be other reasons why Delphi might (is?) dropping in popularity.<br>
Ever since the Borland times, small developers appreciated Delphi,<br>
precisely because they got a quality powerful development environment<br>
for an affordable price. That is sadly no longer the case. I guess the<br>
business model works for Embarcadero and it's equity masters but not for me.<br>
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cheers<br>
Jan<br>
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On 4/08/20 9:02 pm, John Bird wrote:<br>
> You are not making the elementary mistake of "because it's on the Internet <br>
> it must be true" are you?<br>
><br>
> You can just say "Anders H" being the author of both Delphi and .NET, and at <br>
> least with Delphi you can take a 10 or 15 year old program and it is easy or <br>
> easy enough to build it with the latest version. Can you do that with the <br>
> MS world??<br>
><br>
> A shrewder survey would be to ask not only what tools people like at work, <br>
> but also which tools they most love to use for projects of their own.<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message----- <br>
> From: Tony Blomfield<br>
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:47 PM<br>
> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
> Subject: Re: [DUG] Oh oh - Delphi is apparently not good for your CV<br>
><br>
> Pretty true actually. I get sneered at by JS and .NET guru's when I mention <br>
> Delphi.<br>
><br>
> It's a strange attitude. Delphi is arguably the best tool kit for vertical <br>
> solution development.<br>
><br>
> The only negative I have is the cost of maintain it up to date. Delphi + <br>
> DevX + TChart + RB. Round 4K per year.<br>
><br>
> T<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>
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> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>] On Behalf Of Jay Daley<br>
> Sent: Sunday, 12 July 2020 11:10 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a><br>
> Subject: [DUG] Oh oh - Delphi is apparently not good for your CV<br>
><br>
> This article is entitled "If you want to get a job, remove these skills from <br>
> your CV" and hidden among such things as 'filing' and 'packaging' is a skill <br>
> dear to many of our hearts:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.indy100.com/article/job-cv-writing-employment-skills-applying-roles-7734016" target="_blank">
https://www.indy100.com/article/job-cv-writing-employment-skills-applying-roles-7734016</a><br>
><br>
> Jay<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jay Daley<br>
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