[DUG] Oh oh - Delphi is apparently not good for your CV
tonyb at precepthealth.com
Mon Sep 7 10:19:14 NZST 2020
Greetings Jeremy, Jan et al.
I have used Delphi since 1994 and completed at least 100 successful projects.
I agree with your comments below. IT is simply too expensive. I use DevX, Report Builder, TChart Pro, and TRichview in addition. The cost is simply far too high, and every new release means I have to install all of the above which can take up to a week.
The cost is simply too high.
Delphi lacks the sort of rich functionality that I need, and so I have to purchase these other tool sets.
This could be fixed either by Embarcadero limiting their releases to once every 5 years, or by working closer with these companies closer.
Consequently 10.4 is probably my last subscription to them sadly.
From: delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] On Behalf Of Jeremy Coulter
Sent: Sunday, 9 August 2020 11:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [DUG] Oh oh - Delphi is apparently not good for your CV
The company I work for has been a Delphi client for many years with a number of licences. Its getting harder and harder to justify the cost of the licence renewals. This year we have asked Embarcadero to sharpen their pencil! We are a charity and make no profit so we are not writing apps for commercial gain etc etc. We are awaiting their reply.....
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020, 16:12 Jan Bakuwel, <jan.bakuwel at omiha.com<mailto:jan.bakuwel at omiha.com>> wrote:
Well... what to say about this? I've, very reluctantly, decided to
abandon Delphi for anything new after nearly 3 decades as I can't afford
the perpetual upgrades for Delphi and components for my two small (start
up) businesses. While old(er) versions of Delphi are fine if you're only
targeting Windows, that changes to "must keep upgrading" when you're
also targeting MacOS, i(Pad)OS or Android, and perhaps increasingly so
for Windows too. Not because of new features but often due to bugs that
won't be fixed in older versions. I recall spending countless hours
creating work arounds for bugs in the MacOS runtime in XE5 and reading
about unresolved Android issues in recent versions.
While I think the Community Edition is a good start, it's limitations
are too limiting. When development resources are tight and revenue is
virtually absent, as they often are in start ups, using "crippled"
development environments is not very appealing.
>From a software engineering and security point of view C has some
serious issues (IMHO) but to my surprise according to Tiobe it's the
most popular programming language: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index,
quite possibly due to the massive code base (ie. I don't think you can't
derive from this index that C is the best language). Delphi ranks 27th.
Below Assembly language.
I'm not saying the Tiobe index is true, in fact I saw it for the first
time today so what do I know :-). I guess what I'm saying is there could
well be other reasons why Delphi might (is?) dropping in popularity.
Ever since the Borland times, small developers appreciated Delphi,
precisely because they got a quality powerful development environment
for an affordable price. That is sadly no longer the case. I guess the
business model works for Embarcadero and it's equity masters but not for me.
On 4/08/20 9:02 pm, John Bird wrote:
> You are not making the elementary mistake of "because it's on the Internet
> it must be true" are you?
> You can just say "Anders H" being the author of both Delphi and .NET, and at
> least with Delphi you can take a 10 or 15 year old program and it is easy or
> easy enough to build it with the latest version. Can you do that with the
> MS world??
> A shrewder survey would be to ask not only what tools people like at work,
> but also which tools they most love to use for projects of their own.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Blomfield
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:47 PM
> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> Subject: Re: [DUG] Oh oh - Delphi is apparently not good for your CV
> Pretty true actually. I get sneered at by JS and .NET guru's when I mention
> It's a strange attitude. Delphi is arguably the best tool kit for vertical
> solution development.
> The only negative I have is the cost of maintain it up to date. Delphi +
> DevX + TChart + RB. Round 4K per year.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz<mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>
> [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz<mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>] On Behalf Of Jay Daley
> Sent: Sunday, 12 July 2020 11:10 AM
> To: delphi at listserver.123.net.nz<mailto:delphi at listserver.123.net.nz>
> Subject: [DUG] Oh oh - Delphi is apparently not good for your CV
> This article is entitled "If you want to get a job, remove these skills from
> your CV" and hidden among such things as 'filing' and 'packaging' is a skill
> dear to many of our hearts:
> Jay Daley
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