[DUG] Opinion wanted - is the upgrade from XE5 to XE6 worthwhile

[Jolyon Smith]

Leigh,

When it comes to gleaning insights from examples, you get far more benefit
from a translation than from a blank sheet of paper.  ;)

And making a translation from Java to Pascal (or C# if using Xamarin) is
really not that hard, or shouldn't be for anyone who is - or claims to be -
a software developer.  Certainly not one with ambitions to develop for
multiple, disparate devices.  imho.

;)


On 11 July 2014 16:32, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jolyon,
>
> But you need a mental translation from java to delphi :-)
>
> Regards
> Leigh
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 16:17, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> But Leigh, the point is that an Oxygene developer does not need *Oxygene
>> specific* support.
>>
>> When I was developing my battery widget I was using the same resources
>> that a Java Android developer would use, which are plentiful (ditto my
>> excursions into Cocoa).
>>
>>
>> As some sort of idea, you might look at # of tagged questions on
>> StackOverflow as a (crude) metric:
>>
>> Android: 500,000+
>> iOS: 250,000+
>> Delphi: 27,000+
>> Xamarin: 3,400+
>> FireMonkey: 880+
>> Oxygene: 101+
>>
>> Initially this does not look good for Oxygene.  But a high proportion of
>> those 750,000 Android and iOS questions will be just as helpful to an
>> Oxygene developer (and Xamarin for that matter).  Not so much for a
>> FireMonkey developer.
>>
>> Of the three, a FireMonkey developer is the most on their own.
>>
>>
>> As for availability of skills, RemObjects and Xamarin have similar
>> advantages - both are (or in the case of Xamarin, can be) Visual Studio
>> based so experience with the IDE isn't an issue.  With Xamarin and
>> Hydrogene, language skills aren't an issue now that you can call on the
>> pool of C# skills.  Framework skills ?  Well, again we're talking about
>> Android SDK and Cocoa (or .NET), not some proprietary cross platform
>> framework (although there are elements of this with Xamarin I believe).
>>
>> Again, Delphi with FireMonkey romps home with the "Rocking Horse
>> Droppings" award.  ;)
>>
>>
>> On 11 July 2014 15:51, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jolyon,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply.
>>>
>>> I think the issue with RemObjects Oxygene is developer community size.
>>> Delphi is already a minority compare to .net developer population. Then RemObjects
>>> Oxygene for android, ios? I think that as rare as hen's teeth :-)
>>>
>>> If a project has no developer to hire using a tech, what will happen? :-)
>>>
>>> Anyway, by doing RemObjects Oxygene, everything is same learning curve
>>> like native platform except change the language to be pascal. But you have
>>> far small community to ask questions and get answers. Answers are not ready
>>> for you on the internet, you have to wait someone to answer it first. I
>>> already feel that xamarin developer community is too small compare to
>>> asp.net mvc, desktop .net etc.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Leigh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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