[DUG] Opinion wanted - is the upgrade from XE5 to XE6 worthwhile

[Leigh Wanstead]

Hi Jolyon,

Thanks for your input.

But by using RemObjects, you cannot get benefits from writing code once for
all platforms i.e. android, ios, windows 8 phone like Xamarin.Forms do.
 You have to write multiple sets of code for each platform which means
maintenance
nightmare and delay release etc.

Regards
Leigh


On 11 July 2014 16:42, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:

> Leigh,
>
> When it comes to gleaning insights from examples, you get far more benefit
> from a translation than from a blank sheet of paper.  ;)
>
> And making a translation from Java to Pascal (or C# if using Xamarin) is
> really not that hard, or shouldn't be for anyone who is - or claims to be -
> a software developer.  Certainly not one with ambitions to develop for
> multiple, disparate devices.  imho.
>
> ;)
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 16:32, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jolyon,
>>
>> But you need a mental translation from java to delphi :-)
>>
>> Regards
>> Leigh
>>
>>
>> On 11 July 2014 16:17, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> But Leigh, the point is that an Oxygene developer does not need *Oxygene
>>> specific* support.
>>>
>>> When I was developing my battery widget I was using the same resources
>>> that a Java Android developer would use, which are plentiful (ditto my
>>> excursions into Cocoa).
>>>
>>>
>>> As some sort of idea, you might look at # of tagged questions on
>>> StackOverflow as a (crude) metric:
>>>
>>> Android: 500,000+
>>> iOS: 250,000+
>>> Delphi: 27,000+
>>> Xamarin: 3,400+
>>> FireMonkey: 880+
>>> Oxygene: 101+
>>>
>>> Initially this does not look good for Oxygene.  But a high proportion of
>>> those 750,000 Android and iOS questions will be just as helpful to an
>>> Oxygene developer (and Xamarin for that matter).  Not so much for a
>>> FireMonkey developer.
>>>
>>> Of the three, a FireMonkey developer is the most on their own.
>>>
>>>
>>> As for availability of skills, RemObjects and Xamarin have similar
>>> advantages - both are (or in the case of Xamarin, can be) Visual Studio
>>> based so experience with the IDE isn't an issue.  With Xamarin and
>>> Hydrogene, language skills aren't an issue now that you can call on the
>>> pool of C# skills.  Framework skills ?  Well, again we're talking about
>>> Android SDK and Cocoa (or .NET), not some proprietary cross platform
>>> framework (although there are elements of this with Xamarin I believe).
>>>
>>> Again, Delphi with FireMonkey romps home with the "Rocking Horse
>>> Droppings" award.  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 July 2014 15:51, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jolyon,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your reply.
>>>>
>>>> I think the issue with RemObjects Oxygene is developer community size.
>>>> Delphi is already a minority compare to .net developer population. Then RemObjects
>>>> Oxygene for android, ios? I think that as rare as hen's teeth :-)
>>>>
>>>> If a project has no developer to hire using a tech, what will happen?
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, by doing RemObjects Oxygene, everything is same learning curve
>>>> like native platform except change the language to be pascal. But you have
>>>> far small community to ask questions and get answers. Answers are not ready
>>>> for you on the internet, you have to wait someone to answer it first. I
>>>> already feel that xamarin developer community is too small compare to
>>>> asp.net mvc, desktop .net etc.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Leigh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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