[DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington

Thu Jul 3 12:35:51 NZST 2014

Also how do you know they actually wrote it.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:

> One possible problem with asking to look at old code is that this would
> often break confidentiality requirements with a previous employer/client.
>
> I also have to admit that when I read some (*SOME*!) of my old code it
> gives me the shivers.  People can get better over time y'know.  :)
>
> I think perhaps a better approach might be to ask someone what they
> *think* of the code they wrote in the past.
>
>
> On 3 July 2014 12:03, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To know if he/she is a good developer is very easy. Just read the code
>> he/she wrote in the past.
>>
>>
>> On 3 July 2014 11:51, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> As you say John, the measure of "good" is a complex issue and may even
>>> vary from project to project according to the needs of those projects.
>>>  Technical proficiency (in any specific area) , mentoring skills or
>>> knowledge (OO or again, in whatever area) can all be gained as and when
>>> needed but may or may not be relevant to a particular project.
>>>
>>> Ultimately it comes down to a combination of knowledge and approach, and
>>> the "fit" in these areas that a developer has with the needs of any
>>> particular project.
>>>
>>> In my experience, the best developers are the curious and caring ones.
>>>  By which I don't mean the ones that people raise an eyebrow to/at and who
>>> get all teary eyed at a soppy movie, but who - when faced with a problem or
>>> a challenge - seek first to fully understand it before rolling up their
>>> sleeves and cutting code.  And when they do produce code, they care about
>>> the clarity and structure of it.  "Working code" isn't good enough for such
>>> people, it must also have some aesthetic other quality.
>>>
>>> i.m.e more often than not, ugly code turns eventually out to be wrong
>>> code.  I know when I'm on the right track to a solution because it not only
>>> works, but it makes a sort of obvious sense and has a certain elegance that
>>> cannot be simply designed in.
>>>
>>>
>>> But, as I say, it's a highly complex area and I don't think there is a
>>> simple check list of qualities that categorically identify a "good
>>> developer".
>>>
>>> Which is perhaps why it is also difficult to determine the value of one,
>>> resulting in the tendency to place value on more easily measured qualities,
>>> such as scarcity, experience (as measured in years), etc etc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 July 2014 11:20, John Bird <johnkbird at paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   OK that begs a further discussion!
>>>>
>>>> What in your eyes makes a developer “good” as opposed to thinking they
>>>> are good – specific qualities please of what the good qualities are.  I am
>>>> wondering if there are many opinions of what a “good” programmer is which
>>>> might explain why some think they are good whilst others think they are
>>>> not.  What are the more objective measures?
>>>>
>>>> I have worked on numerous projects the last few years and seen a lot of
>>>> different talents.  Some that stick out in my experience are:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - Technical proficiency – ie knowing already what is likely to be
>>>>    the best technology to use to tackle a new problem
>>>>    - OO depth.   Is it innate or learned?   How is it best learned?
>>>>    - Ability to mentor and guide others through existing code
>>>>
>>>> Curious to hear specifics from you as you have the reputation of a
>>>> Delphi authority!
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* Jeremy North <jeremy.north at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:23 AM
>>>> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>>> <delphi at listserver.123.net.nz>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington
>>>>
>>>>  I know here (Australia) we would happily pay decent salaries if we
>>>> found Delphi developers that were actually good and didn't just *think*
>>>> they were good.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Mueller <
>>>> muellers at orcl-toolbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  As a Swiss Delphi Developer living in New Zealand I find that
>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Switzerland isn’t exactly at the top of my mind when I think about the
>>>>> “value for bucks” for outsourcing work to – not because you don’t get the
>>>>> quality, but because salaries there are almost twice what you would have to
>>>>> pay here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>  *Stefan Müller*,
>>>>> R&D Manager
>>>>>
>>>>> *ORCL* *Toolbox Ltd.*
>>>>> Auckland, New Zealand
>>>>>
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>>>>> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:
>>>>> delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *Tony Blomfield
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 3 July 2014 9:29 a.m.
>>>>> *To:* 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you would like to send the details to me I will have a chat with
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately we have had such a bad run with Kiwi Developers we moved
>>>>> our R&D over to Switzerland last year where we get much more cost effective
>>>>> results.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I’d like to assess the person myself to see if they are
>>>>> suitable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony Blomfield
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [
>>>>> mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz
>>>>> <delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>] *On Behalf Of *Gary T. Benner
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 July 2014 2:32 p.m.
>>>>> *To:* delphi at delphi.org.nz
>>>>> *Subject:* [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HI All,
>>>>>
>>>>> This just passed in if anyone can help:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Permanent Developer available in Wellington.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Experienced Senior Delphi Developer looking for a permanent role in
>>>>> or around Wellington. *
>>>>>
>>>>> *Open to remote work. Also open to learning a new language if needed.
>>>>> Experienced in picking up code from others and looking after legacy systems
>>>>> as well as new development.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Also experienced as a Development Manager and Product Management.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone with an opportunity can email me at gary at benner.co.nz and I'll
>>>>> pass it on.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> List Admin
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