[DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington

Thu Jul 3 12:09:22 NZST 2014

One possible problem with asking to look at old code is that this would
often break confidentiality requirements with a previous employer/client.

I also have to admit that when I read some (*SOME*!) of my old code it
gives me the shivers.  People can get better over time y'know.  :)

I think perhaps a better approach might be to ask someone what they *think*
of the code they wrote in the past.

On 3 July 2014 12:03, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com> wrote:

> To know if he/she is a good developer is very easy. Just read the code
> he/she wrote in the past.
>
>
> On 3 July 2014 11:51, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> As you say John, the measure of "good" is a complex issue and may even
>> vary from project to project according to the needs of those projects.
>>  Technical proficiency (in any specific area) , mentoring skills or
>> knowledge (OO or again, in whatever area) can all be gained as and when
>> needed but may or may not be relevant to a particular project.
>>
>> Ultimately it comes down to a combination of knowledge and approach, and
>> the "fit" in these areas that a developer has with the needs of any
>> particular project.
>>
>> In my experience, the best developers are the curious and caring ones.
>>  By which I don't mean the ones that people raise an eyebrow to/at and who
>> get all teary eyed at a soppy movie, but who - when faced with a problem or
>> a challenge - seek first to fully understand it before rolling up their
>> sleeves and cutting code.  And when they do produce code, they care about
>> the clarity and structure of it.  "Working code" isn't good enough for such
>> people, it must also have some aesthetic other quality.
>>
>> i.m.e more often than not, ugly code turns eventually out to be wrong
>> code.  I know when I'm on the right track to a solution because it not only
>> works, but it makes a sort of obvious sense and has a certain elegance that
>> cannot be simply designed in.
>>
>>
>> But, as I say, it's a highly complex area and I don't think there is a
>> simple check list of qualities that categorically identify a "good
>> developer".
>>
>> Which is perhaps why it is also difficult to determine the value of one,
>> resulting in the tendency to place value on more easily measured qualities,
>> such as scarcity, experience (as measured in years), etc etc
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 July 2014 11:20, John Bird <johnkbird at paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>
>>>   OK that begs a further discussion!
>>>
>>> What in your eyes makes a developer “good” as opposed to thinking they
>>> are good – specific qualities please of what the good qualities are.  I am
>>> wondering if there are many opinions of what a “good” programmer is which
>>> might explain why some think they are good whilst others think they are
>>> not.  What are the more objective measures?
>>>
>>> I have worked on numerous projects the last few years and seen a lot of
>>> different talents.  Some that stick out in my experience are:
>>>
>>>
>>>    - Technical proficiency – ie knowing already what is likely to be
>>>    the best technology to use to tackle a new problem
>>>    - OO depth.   Is it innate or learned?   How is it best learned?
>>>    - Ability to mentor and guide others through existing code
>>>
>>> Curious to hear specifics from you as you have the reputation of a
>>> Delphi authority!
>>>
>>>  *From:* Jeremy North <jeremy.north at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:23 AM
>>> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>> <delphi at listserver.123.net.nz>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington
>>>
>>>  I know here (Australia) we would happily pay decent salaries if we
>>> found Delphi developers that were actually good and didn't just *think*
>>> they were good.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Mueller <
>>> muellers at orcl-toolbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  As a Swiss Delphi Developer living in New Zealand I find that
>>>> interesting.
>>>>
>>>> Switzerland isn’t exactly at the top of my mind when I think about the
>>>> “value for bucks” for outsourcing work to – not because you don’t get the
>>>> quality, but because salaries there are almost twice what you would have to
>>>> pay here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>>  *Stefan Müller*,
>>>> R&D Manager
>>>>
>>>> *ORCL* *Toolbox Ltd.*
>>>> Auckland, New Zealand
>>>>
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>>>> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:
>>>> delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *Tony Blomfield
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 3 July 2014 9:29 a.m.
>>>> *To:* 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you would like to send the details to me I will have a chat with
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately we have had such a bad run with Kiwi Developers we moved
>>>> our R&D over to Switzerland last year where we get much more cost effective
>>>> results.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I’d like to assess the person myself to see if they are
>>>> suitable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tony Blomfield
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [
>>>> mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz
>>>> <delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>] *On Behalf Of *Gary T. Benner
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 July 2014 2:32 p.m.
>>>> *To:* delphi at delphi.org.nz
>>>> *Subject:* [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HI All,
>>>>
>>>> This just passed in if anyone can help:
>>>>
>>>> *Permanent Developer available in Wellington.*
>>>>
>>>> *Experienced Senior Delphi Developer looking for a permanent role in or
>>>> around Wellington. *
>>>>
>>>> *Open to remote work. Also open to learning a new language if needed.
>>>> Experienced in picking up code from others and looking after legacy systems
>>>> as well as new development.*
>>>>
>>>> *Also experienced as a Development Manager and Product Management.*
>>>>
>>>> Anyone with an opportunity can email me at gary at benner.co.nz and I'll
>>>> pass it on.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
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