[DUG] Average Salary

Wed Jul 31 19:50:47 NZST 2013

So back on topic

There is no meaningful average.  It will depend on:
- skill level / experience of developer
- location
- size of company
- etc

If you can refine these parameters you'd get better feedback on the 
likely range.

D

On 31/07/13 19:29, John C wrote:
> Yeah, Steve's email outlines a typical NZ scenario for staff on salary.
> I used to work in an environment like that. The later you finished the
> more you are respected (never mind what your efficiency for the day was).
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> More than some companies are squeezing their staff to the max, looking
> at the hours you put in (important to finish late!) but seem blind for
> the quality etc of the end product and blind for the fact that they are
> actually creating demotivated staff. As most people know, working long
> hours usually means that the productivity drops significantly towards
> the last hours. Working overtime is therefore in general a very bad
> idea. It's much better working 8 hours a day (+/- half an hour) and
> start fresh and motivated the following day. If _really_ needed, work
> long hours, but only for a few days, max a week. If your boss thinks you
> need to work more hours because of the work load and turns to be an
> ongoing thing, then there is clearly something seriously wrong with
> their management in combination with a lack of staff. And last but not
> least, a little reward so once and a while (a small token or taking
> staff for lunch, or send them home early) can do wonders, and makes
> everybody happy, creating a healthy company.
>
> John Ch
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> *From:*delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz
> [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *Steve Peacocke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 July 2013 1:48 p.m.
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Average Salary
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> I see where you are coming from.
>
> But this isn't just a programmer issue. I remember working for a company
> in Auckland where I was expected to turn up for work at 7am every day
> and anyone who left the office before 5:30 was "suspect". I was
> regularly sent to Sydney where I had to be at the airport at 4am for a
> 7am flight (in those days where 3 hour checkins were required). Spend
> the entire day in an office or taxi in Sydney, then fly home (never ever
> put up for the night) where I wouod finally walk into my apartment just
> after midnight. I was still expected to give a debriefing to everyone at
> 7am.
>
> Yes, that was salary, no overtime, no bonuses, not even a Christmas
> gift, just salary - and although I had a training budget, I was never
> allowed to be away from work to attend any training. Training had to be
> done in my own time, but as I was regularly working through weekends for
> a customer presentation on Monday, I didn't have any of that stuff.
>
>
> Steve
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> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Hart
> <Cameron.Hart at flowsoftware.co.nz
> <mailto:Cameron.Hart at flowsoftware.co.nz>> wrote:
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> Salary is “salary” is purely an employers’ perspective – for an employee
> a 80k salary for a job where you end up working 60 hour weeks is worse
> than a 60k salary working 40hours.  as the salary goes up so too does
> the responsibilities and expectations.  consequently the average “on
> paper” salary is 80k-ish but the “real” salary measured by the return
> against the effort is a lot less.  most people don’t just turn off at
> 5pm and at the least the back of the brain is still churning over the
> latest issue – have you never woken up with the brilliant fix for an
> issue you have pondered for a long time?
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> *Cameron Hart *
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> *From:*delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz
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> <mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>] *On Behalf Of *Steve Peacocke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 July 2013 10:59 a.m.
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> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
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> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Average Salary
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> Salary is "salary", not hourly rate :)
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> Steve
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> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Cameron Hart
> <Cameron.Hart at flowsoftware.co.nz
> <mailto:Cameron.Hart at flowsoftware.co.nz>> wrote:
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> do you want the average “on paper” salary who the “real” salary taking
> into account the actual hours worked? J
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> <mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>] *On Behalf Of *Steve Peacocke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 July 2013 8:40 a.m.
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> *Subject:* [DUG] Average Salary
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> Hi Everyone,
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> I was just wondering, what is the average salary for a permanent Delphi
> developer out there in the marketplace these days?
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