[DUG] Average Salary

Wed Jul 31 19:29:39 NZST 2013

Yeah, Steve's email outlines a typical NZ scenario for staff on salary. I
used to work in an environment like that. The later you finished the more
you are respected (never mind what your efficiency for the day was).

More than some companies are squeezing their staff to the max, looking at
the hours you put in (important to finish late!) but seem blind for the
quality etc of the end product and blind for the fact that they are actually
creating demotivated staff. As most people know, working long hours usually
means that the productivity drops significantly towards the last hours.
Working overtime is therefore in general a very bad idea. It's much better
working 8 hours a day (+/- half an hour) and start fresh and motivated the
following day. If really needed, work long hours, but only for a few days,
max a week. If your boss thinks you need to work more hours because of the
work load and turns to be an ongoing thing, then there is clearly something
seriously wrong with their management in combination with a lack of staff.
And last but not least, a little reward so once and a while (a small token
or taking staff for lunch, or send them home early) can do wonders, and
makes everybody happy, creating a healthy company.

John Ch

From: delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke
Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013 1:48 p.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] Average Salary

I see where you are coming from. 

But this isn't just a programmer issue. I remember working for a company in
Auckland where I was expected to turn up for work at 7am every day and
anyone who left the office before 5:30 was "suspect". I was regularly sent
to Sydney where I had to be at the airport at 4am for a 7am flight (in those
days where 3 hour checkins were required). Spend the entire day in an office
or taxi in Sydney, then fly home (never ever put up for the night) where I
wouod finally walk into my apartment just after midnight. I was still
expected to give a debriefing to everyone at 7am.

Yes, that was salary, no overtime, no bonuses, not even a Christmas gift,
just salary - and although I had a training budget, I was never allowed to
be away from work to attend any training. Training had to be done in my own
time, but as I was regularly working through weekends for a customer
presentation on Monday, I didn't have any of that stuff.

Steve

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Hart
<Cameron.Hart at flowsoftware.co.nz> wrote:

Salary is "salary" is purely an employers' perspective - for an employee a
80k salary for a job where you end up working 60 hour weeks is worse than a
60k salary working 40hours.  as the salary goes up so too does the
responsibilities and expectations.  consequently the average "on paper"
salary is 80k-ish but the "real" salary measured by the return against the
effort is a lot less.  most people don't just turn off at 5pm and at the
least the back of the brain is still churning over the latest issue - have
you never woken up with the brilliant fix for an issue you have pondered for
a long time?

Cameron Hart 

Flow Software Limited 

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From: delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke
Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013 10:59 a.m.

To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List

Subject: Re: [DUG] Average Salary

Salary is "salary", not hourly rate :)

Steve 

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Cameron Hart
<Cameron.Hart at flowsoftware.co.nz> wrote:

do you want the average "on paper" salary who the "real" salary taking into
account the actual hours worked?  J

Cameron Hart 

Flow Software Limited 

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PO Box 302 768, North Harbour 

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+64 9 476 3569 x910 <tel:%2B64%209%20476%203569%20x910>  

Auckland 0751, New Zealand 

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[mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke
Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013 8:40 a.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: [DUG] Average Salary

Hi Everyone,

I was just wondering, what is the average salary for a permanent Delphi
developer out there in the marketplace these days?

Steve Peacocke
Mobile: +64 220 612-611 <tel:%2B64%20220%20612-611> 

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