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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Yeah, Steve's email outlines a typical NZ scenario for staff on salary. I used to work in an environment like that. The later you finished the more you are respected (never mind what your efficiency for the day was).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>More than some companies are squeezing their staff to the max, looking at the hours you put in (important to finish late!) but seem blind for the quality etc of the end product and blind for the fact that they are actually creating demotivated staff. As most people know, working long hours usually means that the productivity drops significantly towards the last hours. Working overtime is therefore in general a very bad idea. It's much better working 8 hours a day (+/- half an hour) and start fresh and motivated the following day. If <u>really</u> needed, work long hours, but only for a few days, max a week. If your boss thinks you need to work more hours because of the work load and turns to be an ongoing thing, then there is clearly something seriously wrong with their management in combination with a lack of staff. And last but not least, a little reward so once and a while (a small token or taking staff for lunch, or send them home early) can do wonders, and makes everybody happy, creating a healthy company.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>John Ch<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Peacocke<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 31 July 2013 1:48 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Average Salary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I see where you are coming from. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But this isn't just a programmer issue. I remember working for a company in Auckland where I was expected to turn up for work at 7am every day and anyone who left the office before 5:30 was "suspect". I was regularly sent to Sydney where I had to be at the airport at 4am for a 7am flight (in those days where 3 hour checkins were required). Spend the entire day in an office or taxi in Sydney, then fly home (never ever put up for the night) where I wouod finally walk into my apartment just after midnight. I was still expected to give a debriefing to everyone at 7am.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, that was salary, no overtime, no bonuses, not even a Christmas gift, just salary - and although I had a training budget, I was never allowed to be away from work to attend any training. Training had to be done in my own time, but as I was regularly working through weekends for a customer presentation on Monday, I didn't have any of that stuff.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Steve<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Hart <<a href="mailto:Cameron.Hart@flowsoftware.co.nz" target="_blank">Cameron.Hart@flowsoftware.co.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Salary is “salary” is purely an employers’ perspective – for an employee a 80k salary for a job where you end up working 60 hour weeks is worse than a 60k salary working 40hours. as the salary goes up so too does the responsibilities and expectations. consequently the average “on paper” salary is 80k-ish but the “real” salary measured by the return against the effort is a lot less. most people don’t just turn off at 5pm and at the least the back of the brain is still churning over the latest issue – have you never woken up with the brilliant fix for an issue you have pondered for a long time?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width=700 style='width:525.0pt'><tr style='min-height:26.25pt'><td colspan=4 style='padding:0mm 0mm 0mm 0mm;min-height:26.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#122029'>Cameron Hart </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width=23 style='width:17.25pt;padding:0mm 0mm 0mm 0mm'></td><td style='padding:0mm 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p class=MsoNormal 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</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Peacocke<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 31 July 2013 10:59 a.m.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Average Salary<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Salary is "salary", not hourly rate :)<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>Steve <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Cameron Hart <<a href="mailto:Cameron.Hart@flowsoftware.co.nz" target="_blank">Cameron.Hart@flowsoftware.co.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>do you want the average “on paper” salary who the “real” salary taking into account the actual hours worked? </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width=700 style='width:525.0pt'><tr style='min-height:26.25pt'><td colspan=4 style='padding:0mm 0mm 0mm 0mm;min-height:26.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#122029'>Cameron Hart </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width=23 style='width:17.25pt;padding:0mm 0mm 0mm 0mm'></td><td style='padding:0mm 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet 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