[DUG] Web development - PHP or not PHP?

[Neven MacEwan]

Rohit

I don't subscribe to your view re "rubbish programmers", slowness (or a 
certain response speed) may be their target when your revenue is 
advertising :-)

Here is one thing they have done with PHP,

http://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/358/

Mind you I dont use FB

Neven

> Neven,
>
> are you implying that facebook uses some sort of compiled language.  
> As far as I know it uses php.  Its slowness stems from them using 
> rubbish programmers.  Every time they make a change - their 
> choices/decisions  makes things even slower.
>
>
> On 5/06/2011 10:37 p.m., Neven MacEwan wrote:
>> John
>>
>> Debugging PHP poor? Breakpoints, hover-over variable values, step 
>> into what more do you need? I agree with the speed thing though, No 
>> need for compiled code until you get to facebook  size.
>>
>> I always thought the concept of a PHP VCL a little strange, The 
>> statelessness of webservers and the limitations of browsers was 
>> always going to make a rich delphi like application builder a hard 
>> ask, almost destined to disappoint. Having said that I wouldn't 
>> suggest anyone starting a new project go for a fat client unless 
>> heavy graphic requirement dictated it
>>
>> Neven
>>>
>>> I use PHP already for many years and I like as it integrates nicely 
>>> and easily with HTML, CSS and JavaScript. And as Rohit explained, no 
>>> matter what language you use, for more advanced application you got 
>>> to learn HTML, CSS and JavaScript any way!
>>>
>>> Speed might be an issue for some applications (?) but PHP is fast 
>>> enough for most applications (so why bother). I agree that the 
>>> debugging side of PHP is a bit poor, but that's all part of website 
>>> development I suppose.
>>>
>>> I wanted to make a start with Delphi 4 PHP a couple of years ago, 
>>> but never got to it (should I?).
>>>
>>> John C
>>>
>>> *From:*delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz 
>>> [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Rohit Gupta
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 5 June 2011 5:05 p.m.
>>> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Web development
>>>
>>> I have been using PHP because I did not want the server to be tied 
>>> to MS.  Its also very popular.  I started off with Delphi for PHP.  
>>> But the investment in learning it was wasted.  The only thing I use 
>>> it for is for debugging now.   There is no vcl in sight.
>>>
>>> Had t learn PHP, javascript, HTML and CSS.  I think you have to , if 
>>> you want it efficient.  Mine has to be as I am targeting millions of 
>>> users not just hundreds.  It is my spare time project too.  Check it 
>>> out if you want    7bfaces.com.   You have to signup to see it and 
>>> note its work in progress.
>>>
>>> On 3/06/2011 4:57 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Berend,
>>>
>>> I'm not doing this for a job but working on my on applications at 
>>> home in my spare time. I've been programming for many years but not 
>>> as a job since about 2005.
>>>
>>> My next project will be totally web based and I've been thinking 
>>> that I'd need to make the move to RubyonRails at that point, but 
>>> before I make that commitment, I wondered if anyone was using Delphi 
>>> successfully on good advanced web projects - or something else. I 
>>> know the C#.NET argument is a pretty good argument but for some 
>>> reasons I'm resisting that move.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Berend de Boer <berend at pobox.com 
>>> <mailto:berend at pobox.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Peacocke <steve at peacocke.net 
>>> <mailto:steve at peacocke.net>> writes:
>>>
>>>    Steve> Perhaps others have a better suggestion? What do others
>>>    Steve> use? Should I bite the bullet and jump to RoR or upgrade to
>>>    Steve> D2011 or something else?
>>>
>>> I mean, you're learning this for fun or for having a job? Not sure how
>>> many RoR jobs there are in NZ.
>>>
>>> Some years ago I heard that most Delphi programmers went to PHP. The
>>> PHP market in NZ is pretty robust, so that works.
>>>
>>> But if you want to stay in the Microsoft World, C# + ASPX or whatever
>>> the greatest latest technology is from M$ would be the best fit.
>>>
>>> --
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Berend de Boer
>>>
>>>
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