[DUG] Web development - PHP or not PHP?

[Rohit Gupta]

Neven,

are you implying that facebook uses some sort of compiled language.  As 
far as I know it uses php.  Its slowness stems from them using rubbish 
programmers.  Every time they make a change - their choices/decisions  
makes things even slower.


On 5/06/2011 10:37 p.m., Neven MacEwan wrote:
> John
>
> Debugging PHP poor? Breakpoints, hover-over variable values, step into 
> what more do you need? I agree with the speed thing though, No need 
> for compiled code until you get to facebook  size.
>
> I always thought the concept of a PHP VCL a little strange, The 
> statelessness of webservers and the limitations of browsers was always 
> going to make a rich delphi like application builder a hard ask, 
> almost destined to disappoint. Having said that I wouldn't suggest 
> anyone starting a new project go for a fat client unless heavy graphic 
> requirement dictated it
>
> Neven
>>
>> I use PHP already for many years and I like as it integrates nicely 
>> and easily with HTML, CSS and JavaScript. And as Rohit explained, no 
>> matter what language you use, for more advanced application you got 
>> to learn HTML, CSS and JavaScript any way!
>>
>> Speed might be an issue for some applications (?) but PHP is fast 
>> enough for most applications (so why bother). I agree that the 
>> debugging side of PHP is a bit poor, but that's all part of website 
>> development I suppose.
>>
>> I wanted to make a start with Delphi 4 PHP a couple of years ago, but 
>> never got to it (should I?).
>>
>> John C
>>
>> *From:*delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz 
>> [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Rohit Gupta
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 5 June 2011 5:05 p.m.
>> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Web development
>>
>> I have been using PHP because I did not want the server to be tied to 
>> MS.  Its also very popular.  I started off with Delphi for PHP.  But 
>> the investment in learning it was wasted.  The only thing I use it 
>> for is for debugging now.   There is no vcl in sight.
>>
>> Had t learn PHP, javascript, HTML and CSS.  I think you have to , if 
>> you want it efficient.  Mine has to be as I am targeting millions of 
>> users not just hundreds.  It is my spare time project too.  Check it 
>> out if you want    7bfaces.com.   You have to signup to see it and 
>> note its work in progress.
>>
>> On 3/06/2011 4:57 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Berend,
>>
>> I'm not doing this for a job but working on my on applications at 
>> home in my spare time. I've been programming for many years but not 
>> as a job since about 2005.
>>
>> My next project will be totally web based and I've been thinking that 
>> I'd need to make the move to RubyonRails at that point, but before I 
>> make that commitment, I wondered if anyone was using Delphi 
>> successfully on good advanced web projects - or something else. I 
>> know the C#.NET argument is a pretty good argument but for some 
>> reasons I'm resisting that move.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Berend de Boer <berend at pobox.com 
>> <mailto:berend at pobox.com>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Peacocke <steve at peacocke.net 
>> <mailto:steve at peacocke.net>> writes:
>>
>>    Steve> Perhaps others have a better suggestion? What do others
>>    Steve> use? Should I bite the bullet and jump to RoR or upgrade to
>>    Steve> D2011 or something else?
>>
>> I mean, you're learning this for fun or for having a job? Not sure how
>> many RoR jobs there are in NZ.
>>
>> Some years ago I heard that most Delphi programmers went to PHP. The
>> PHP market in NZ is pretty robust, so that works.
>>
>> But if you want to stay in the Microsoft World, C# + ASPX or whatever
>> the greatest latest technology is from M$ would be the best fit.
>>
>> --
>> All the best,
>>
>> Berend de Boer
>>
>>
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