[DUG] Web development - PHP or not PHP?

Sun Jun 5 22:37:54 NZST 2011

John

Debugging PHP poor? Breakpoints, hover-over variable values, step into 
what more do you need? I agree with the speed thing though, No need for 
compiled code until you get to facebook  size.

I always thought the concept of a PHP VCL a little strange, The 
statelessness of webservers and the limitations of browsers was always 
going to make a rich delphi like application builder a hard ask, almost 
destined to disappoint. Having said that I wouldn't suggest anyone 
starting a new project go for a fat client unless heavy graphic 
requirement dictated it

Neven
>
> I use PHP already for many years and I like as it integrates nicely 
> and easily with HTML, CSS and JavaScript. And as Rohit explained, no 
> matter what language you use, for more advanced application you got to 
> learn HTML, CSS and JavaScript any way!
>
> Speed might be an issue for some applications (?) but PHP is fast 
> enough for most applications (so why bother). I agree that the 
> debugging side of PHP is a bit poor, but that's all part of website 
> development I suppose.
>
> I wanted to make a start with Delphi 4 PHP a couple of years ago, but 
> never got to it (should I?).
>
> John C
>
> *From:*delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz 
> [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Rohit Gupta
> *Sent:* Sunday, 5 June 2011 5:05 p.m.
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Web development
>
> I have been using PHP because I did not want the server to be tied to 
> MS.  Its also very popular.  I started off with Delphi for PHP.  But 
> the investment in learning it was wasted.  The only thing I use it for 
> is for debugging now.   There is no vcl in sight.
>
> Had t learn PHP, javascript, HTML and CSS.  I think you have to , if 
> you want it efficient.  Mine has to be as I am targeting millions of 
> users not just hundreds.  It is my spare time project too.  Check it 
> out if you want    7bfaces.com.   You have to signup to see it and 
> note its work in progress.
>
> On 3/06/2011 4:57 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote:
>
> Thanks Berend,
>
> I'm not doing this for a job but working on my on applications at home 
> in my spare time. I've been programming for many years but not as a 
> job since about 2005.
>
> My next project will be totally web based and I've been thinking that 
> I'd need to make the move to RubyonRails at that point, but before I 
> make that commitment, I wondered if anyone was using Delphi 
> successfully on good advanced web projects - or something else. I know 
> the C#.NET argument is a pretty good argument but for some reasons I'm 
> resisting that move.
>
> Steve
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Berend de Boer <berend at pobox.com 
> <mailto:berend at pobox.com>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Peacocke <steve at peacocke.net 
> <mailto:steve at peacocke.net>> writes:
>
>    Steve> Perhaps others have a better suggestion? What do others
>    Steve> use? Should I bite the bullet and jump to RoR or upgrade to
>    Steve> D2011 or something else?
>
> I mean, you're learning this for fun or for having a job? Not sure how
> many RoR jobs there are in NZ.
>
> Some years ago I heard that most Delphi programmers went to PHP. The
> PHP market in NZ is pretty robust, so that works.
>
> But if you want to stay in the Microsoft World, C# + ASPX or whatever
> the greatest latest technology is from M$ would be the best fit.
>
> --
> All the best,
>
> Berend de Boer
>
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