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Rohit<br>
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I don't subscribe to your view re "rubbish programmers", slowness
(or a certain response speed) may be their target when your revenue
is advertising :-)<br>
<br>
Here is one thing they have done with PHP, <br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/358/">http://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/358/</a><br>
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Mind you I dont use FB<br>
<br>
Neven<br>
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Neven,<br>
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are you implying that facebook uses some sort of compiled
language. As far as I know it uses php. Its slowness stems from
them using rubbish programmers. Every time they make a change -
their choices/decisions makes things even slower.<br>
<br>
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On 5/06/2011 10:37 p.m., Neven MacEwan wrote:
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John<br>
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Debugging PHP poor? Breakpoints, hover-over variable values,
step into what more do you need? I agree with the speed thing
though, No need for compiled code until you get to facebook
size.<br>
<br>
I always thought the concept of a PHP VCL a little strange, The
statelessness of webservers and the limitations of browsers was
always going to make a rich delphi like application builder a
hard ask, almost destined to disappoint. Having said that I
wouldn't suggest anyone starting a new project go for a fat
client unless heavy graphic requirement dictated it<br>
<br>
Neven<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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color: blue;">I use PHP already for many years and I
like as it integrates nicely and easily with HTML, CSS
and JavaScript. And as Rohit explained, no matter what
language you use, for more advanced application you got
to learn HTML, CSS and JavaScript any way! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: blue;">Speed might be an issue for some
applications (?) but PHP is fast enough for most
applications (so why bother). I agree that the debugging
side of PHP is a bit poor, but that's all part of
website development I suppose. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: blue;">I wanted to make a start with Delphi 4 PHP
a couple of years ago, but never got to it (should I?).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rohit Gupta<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 5 June 2011 5:05 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have been using PHP because I did
not want the server to be tied to MS. Its also very
popular. I started off with Delphi for PHP. But the
investment in learning it was wasted. The only thing I
use it for is for debugging now. There is no vcl in
sight.<br>
<br>
Had t learn PHP, javascript, HTML and CSS. I think you
have to , if you want it efficient. Mine has to be as I
am targeting millions of users not just hundreds. It is
my spare time project too. Check it out if you want
7bfaces.com. You have to signup to see it and note its
work in progress.<br>
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On 3/06/2011 4:57 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm not doing this for a job but
working on my on applications at home in my spare
time. I've been programming for many years but not as
a job since about 2005.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My next project will be totally web
based and I've been thinking that I'd need to make the
move to RubyonRails at that point, but before I make
that commitment, I wondered if anyone was using Delphi
successfully on good advanced web projects - or
something else. I know the C#.NET argument is a pretty
good argument but for some reasons I'm resisting that
move.<br clear="all">
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Steve <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:51 PM,
Berend de Boer <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:berend@pobox.com">berend@pobox.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> "Steve" ==
Steve Peacocke <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steve@peacocke.net">steve@peacocke.net</a>>
writes:<br>
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Steve> Perhaps others have a better suggestion?
What do others<br>
Steve> use? Should I bite the bullet and jump to
RoR or upgrade to<br>
Steve> D2011 or something else?<br>
<br>
I mean, you're learning this for fun or for having a
job? Not sure how<br>
many RoR jobs there are in NZ.<br>
<br>
Some years ago I heard that most Delphi programmers
went to PHP. The<br>
PHP market in NZ is pretty robust, so that works.<br>
<br>
But if you want to stay in the Microsoft World, C# +
ASPX or whatever<br>
the greatest latest technology is from M$ would be the
best fit.<br>
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--<br>
All the best,<br>
<br>
Berend de Boer<br>
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