[DUG] So off-topic it's ridiculous

Fri Jan 29 16:16:46 NZDT 2010

Ouch.

The only time I've actually been knocked off my bike was by another
cyclist. ;-)

Using Delphi today?  Sure.  Although most of today was spent testing on
VPCs and watching builds run.

C.

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From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz]
On Behalf Of Kyley Harris
Sent: Friday, 29 January 2010 4:04 p.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] So off-topic it's ridiculous

haha.. I drooled over the iPad for the time frame of 1 day while
chatting.. now I'll ignore it until I see a price. 

I used to love cycling in Auckland before I had to raise my child alone
and ran out of time. Mission Bay to Mt Albert was always a good ride.
Lots of bad drivers to be careful of, but I use the same mindset as when
I ride a motorcycle and luckily had no accidents on the Cycle. 

on the motorcycle 2 injuries by illegally u-turning Cars that didn't
look. total time in bed 1.2 years.

Using delphi for at least 7 hours a day.. youtube for at least 1 :D

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz>
wrote:

	Are there any Delphi users on this list actually using Delphi
right now or are we all too busy drooling over Apple products that
Delphi doesn't support and getting our knickers in a twist over road
transport issues?

	J

	But since everyone else has chimed in, my contribution on the
cycling issue...

	What are the annual registration, licensing, insurance and WOF
costs for your bicycle?

	"free" - as usual - comes with a price.

	I ride my bicycle *occasionally* for leisure - I would very much
like the roads to be more bicycle friendly, but I don't expect that to
happen for free.  In the meantime I ride my bicycle where it is safe and
permitted to do so.

	I also do not presume to judge someone simply for being alone in
their vehicle.  I do not know how far they have had to travel or how
much further they have yet to go.  Bicycles are simply not practical for
long journey's, and not everyone has the benefit of a workplace equipped
with shower facilities.

	I also do not know what equipment or materiel the driver may be
carrying in their boot or in the vehicle with them, that may simply be
impossible to carry on a bicycle or even a moped.

	Even if they do not have far to travel to get to their
workplace, I would not presume to think that they might not have to make
a more substantial journey - or be available/capable of making a journey
- later in the day, or have to be able to travel to a customer site or
meeting as quickly as legally possible to minimize the impact of travel
time on their working day.

	And in Auckland anyone needing to cross the harbour bridge to
get to/from work or during the course of their working day simply cannot
afford the planet the luxury of a bicycle, or even a moped under a
certain engine capacity - the law simply won't allow it.  (should the
law change to allow it?  maybe, but currently it doesn't).

	But why let such practical considerations get in the way of a
sense of moral superiority, eh? 

	If only everyone lived within practical cycling distance of
their work and nobody had to do a job that involved anything more than
staying in one place all day waiting to cycle home.

	Of course, that itself would all come at a price too - you would
lose mobility of labour and much of the choice that you currently enjoy
in the range of possible workplaces you may be employed or areas that
you may choose to live.

	We may dream of a return to the lifestyle of a pastoral society,
but it's simply not going to happen, at least not until the oil runs out
and we're forced into it.

	From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Leigh Wanstead
	Sent: Friday, 29 January 2010 3:35 p.m.
	To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
	Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT

	I ride bicycle in Auckland  around 10 years. Auckland road is
not fit for riding bicycle. Most road does not have proper cycle way.
The cycle way is not continuous. And the road suppose to ride bicycle is
only around 20 cm wide and shared with cars. And car runs very fast. It
is so easy to be hit by the car in Auckland. I guess riding bicycle is
far more easy to be killed than driving car. So to look after myself not
to be hit by the car, riding on pavement is quite acceptable. Anyway the
pavement most of the time is empty.

	I saw most car have four seats and only one driver sitting in
the car which wastes lots of natural resource moving around. Remember we
only have one earth to live.

	From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cameron Hart
	Sent: Friday, 29 January 2010 2:27 p.m.
	To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
	Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT

	Imho it is not getting stuck behind bikes that gets car drivers
irate, but the flaunting of the road rules demonstrated by cyclists.
Car drivers start thinking it is unfair every time they see one ride
through a red light, or fail to indicate, or ride double/triple, or skip
from road to footpath as it suits, and unless everyones is following the
same rules it starts to turn into two sides - them against us.  You
start resenting cyclists because they are not following the rules you
are required to.

	Maybe they should address this imbalance by bringing into effect
some things like cycle licenses (so you know they are qualified and even
know the road rules), headlights, brake lights, and indicators.  Maybe
they need a WOF and cycle registration.

	Bring us all onto an equal footing and more respect for cyclists
might be found.  It is easy to be tolerant of others when it is a level
playing field.

	cameron

	From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Robert martin
	Sent: Friday, 29 January 2010 10:23 a.m.
	To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
	Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT

	What an idiot.  
	I think what most of the nasty drivers forget is that for every
cyclist on the road its one less car for them to get stuck behind.
However I must admit the Dyers pass road is terrible to drive up / down
especially with the Lycra brigade riding two a breast up a thin winding
road.  No excuse for nocking people off the road or for driving a hummer
!

	Rob

	On 29/01/2010 9:53 a.m., Conor Boyd wrote: 

	Basically the need for a bit more tolerance from both cyclists
and car-drivers to sharing the road.

	Exacerbated this week by a guy who lives in Cashmere, drives a
black Hummer (plate WARNIN with a surround that says "does not play well
with others"), and who posted online this week that he had knocked 2
cyclists into the kerb in the last 6 months and was quite prepared to do
the same again, but who subsequently half-heartedly apologised after he
realised that he was easily identifiable as Richard Freeman, the
co-owner of the Sign of the Takahe cafe/restaurant and a number of other
businesses who look like they will be taking a bit of a dent in
patronage from now on.

	Front page news in the Press on Wednesday I think it was.

	Following by an alleged case of car-passenger assault on a
cyclist at the bottom of Dyers Pass Road yesterday morning.

	Neither side are completely blameless, and it's a small minority
on either side who make it seem more of a car/cyclist war than it
actually is, or than it should be.

	Personally, I'm glad I've got a commute that mostly sticks to
quieter roads than the main arteries.

	C.

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	From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Robert martin

	I come in from the other side (St Albans).  Whats happening in
Cashmere?  I'm obviously out of the loop :)

	On 29/01/2010 9:23 a.m., Conor Boyd wrote: 

		Likewise.

		Although we won't mention the current Cashmere-based
shenanigans.

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