[DUG] So off-topic it's ridiculous

Fri Jan 29 15:59:29 NZDT 2010

Are there any Delphi users on this list actually using Delphi right now or
are we all too busy drooling over Apple products that Delphi doesn't support
and getting our knickers in a twist over road transport issues?

J

But since everyone else has chimed in, my contribution on the cycling issue.

What are the annual registration, licensing, insurance and WOF costs for
your bicycle?

"free" - as usual - comes with a price.

I ride my bicycle *occasionally* for leisure - I would very much like the
roads to be more bicycle friendly, but I don't expect that to happen for
free.  In the meantime I ride my bicycle where it is safe and permitted to
do so.

I also do not presume to judge someone simply for being alone in their
vehicle.  I do not know how far they have had to travel or how much further
they have yet to go.  Bicycles are simply not practical for long journey's,
and not everyone has the benefit of a workplace equipped with shower
facilities.

I also do not know what equipment or materiel the driver may be carrying in
their boot or in the vehicle with them, that may simply be impossible to
carry on a bicycle or even a moped.

Even if they do not have far to travel to get to their workplace, I would
not presume to think that they might not have to make a more substantial
journey - or be available/capable of making a journey - later in the day, or
have to be able to travel to a customer site or meeting as quickly as
legally possible to minimize the impact of travel time on their working day.

And in Auckland anyone needing to cross the harbour bridge to get to/from
work or during the course of their working day simply cannot afford the
planet the luxury of a bicycle, or even a moped under a certain engine
capacity - the law simply won't allow it.  (should the law change to allow
it?  maybe, but currently it doesn't).

But why let such practical considerations get in the way of a sense of moral
superiority, eh? 

If only everyone lived within practical cycling distance of their work and
nobody had to do a job that involved anything more than staying in one place
all day waiting to cycle home.

Of course, that itself would all come at a price too - you would lose
mobility of labour and much of the choice that you currently enjoy in the
range of possible workplaces you may be employed or areas that you may
choose to live.

We may dream of a return to the lifestyle of a pastoral society, but it's
simply not going to happen, at least not until the oil runs out and we're
forced into it.

From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Leigh Wanstead
Sent: Friday, 29 January 2010 3:35 p.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT

I ride bicycle in Auckland  around 10 years. Auckland road is not fit for
riding bicycle. Most road does not have proper cycle way. The cycle way is
not continuous. And the road suppose to ride bicycle is only around 20 cm
wide and shared with cars. And car runs very fast. It is so easy to be hit
by the car in Auckland. I guess riding bicycle is far more easy to be killed
than driving car. So to look after myself not to be hit by the car, riding
on pavement is quite acceptable. Anyway the pavement most of the time is
empty.

I saw most car have four seats and only one driver sitting in the car which
wastes lots of natural resource moving around. Remember we only have one
earth to live.

From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Cameron Hart
Sent: Friday, 29 January 2010 2:27 p.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT

Imho it is not getting stuck behind bikes that gets car drivers irate, but
the flaunting of the road rules demonstrated by cyclists.  Car drivers start
thinking it is unfair every time they see one ride through a red light, or
fail to indicate, or ride double/triple, or skip from road to footpath as it
suits, and unless everyones is following the same rules it starts to turn
into two sides - them against us.  You start resenting cyclists because they
are not following the rules you are required to.

Maybe they should address this imbalance by bringing into effect some things
like cycle licenses (so you know they are qualified and even know the road
rules), headlights, brake lights, and indicators.  Maybe they need a WOF and
cycle registration.

Bring us all onto an equal footing and more respect for cyclists might be
found.  It is easy to be tolerant of others when it is a level playing
field.

cameron

From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Robert martin
Sent: Friday, 29 January 2010 10:23 a.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT

What an idiot.  
I think what most of the nasty drivers forget is that for every cyclist on
the road its one less car for them to get stuck behind.  However I must
admit the Dyers pass road is terrible to drive up / down especially with the
Lycra brigade riding two a breast up a thin winding road.  No excuse for
nocking people off the road or for driving a hummer !

Rob

On 29/01/2010 9:53 a.m., Conor Boyd wrote: 

Basically the need for a bit more tolerance from both cyclists and
car-drivers to sharing the road.

Exacerbated this week by a guy who lives in Cashmere, drives a black Hummer
(plate WARNIN with a surround that says "does not play well with others"),
and who posted online this week that he had knocked 2 cyclists into the kerb
in the last 6 months and was quite prepared to do the same again, but who
subsequently half-heartedly apologised after he realised that he was easily
identifiable as Richard Freeman, the co-owner of the Sign of the Takahe
cafe/restaurant and a number of other businesses who look like they will be
taking a bit of a dent in patronage from now on.

Front page news in the Press on Wednesday I think it was.

Following by an alleged case of car-passenger assault on a cyclist at the
bottom of Dyers Pass Road yesterday morning.

Neither side are completely blameless, and it's a small minority on either
side who make it seem more of a car/cyclist war than it actually is, or than
it should be.

Personally, I'm glad I've got a commute that mostly sticks to quieter roads
than the main arteries.

C.

  _____  

From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Robert martin

I come in from the other side (St Albans).  Whats happening in Cashmere?
I'm obviously out of the loop :)

On 29/01/2010 9:23 a.m., Conor Boyd wrote: 

Likewise.

Although we won't mention the current Cashmere-based shenanigans.

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