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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Are there any Delphi users on this list actually using Delphi
right now or are we all too busy drooling over Apple products that Delphi doesn’t
support and getting our knickers in a twist over road transport issues?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
color:windowtext'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>But since everyone else has chimed in, my contribution on the
cycling issue…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>What are the annual registration, licensing, insurance and
WOF costs for your bicycle?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>“free” – as usual - comes with a price.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>I ride my bicycle *<b>occasionally</b>* for leisure – I
would very much like the roads to be more bicycle friendly, but I don’t
expect that to happen for free. In the meantime I ride my bicycle where
it is safe and permitted to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>I also do not presume to judge someone simply for being alone
in their vehicle. I do not know how far they have had to travel or how
much further they have yet to go. Bicycles are simply not practical for
long journey’s, and not everyone has the benefit of a workplace equipped
with shower facilities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>I also do not know what equipment or materiel the driver may
be carrying in their boot or in the vehicle with them, that may simply be
impossible to carry on a bicycle or even a moped.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Even if they do not have far to travel to get to their
workplace, I would not presume to think that they might not have to make a more
substantial journey – or be available/capable of making a journey –
later in the day, or have to be able to travel to a customer site or meeting as
quickly as legally possible to minimize the impact of travel time on their
working day.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>And in Auckland anyone needing to cross the harbour bridge to
get to/from work or during the course of their working day simply cannot afford
the planet the luxury of a bicycle, or even a moped under a certain engine
capacity – the law simply won’t allow it. (should the law
change to allow it? maybe, but currently it doesn’t).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>But why let such practical considerations get in the way of a
sense of moral superiority, eh? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>If only everyone lived within practical cycling distance of
their work and nobody had to do a job that involved anything more than staying
in one place all day waiting to cycle home.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Of course, that itself would all come at a price too –
you would lose mobility of labour and much of the choice that you currently
enjoy in the range of possible workplaces you may be employed or areas that you
may choose to live.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>We may dream of a return to the lifestyle of a pastoral
society, but it’s simply not going to happen, at least not until the oil
runs out and we’re forced into it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Leigh Wanstead<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 January 2010 3:35 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I ride bicycle in Auckland around 10 years. Auckland road
is not fit for riding bicycle. Most road does not have proper cycle way. The
cycle way is not continuous. And the road suppose to ride bicycle is only
around 20 cm wide and shared with cars. And car runs very fast. It is so easy
to be hit by the car in Auckland. I guess riding bicycle is far more easy to be
killed than driving car. So to look after myself not to be hit by the car,
riding on pavement is quite acceptable. Anyway the pavement most of the time is
empty.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I saw most car have four seats and only one driver sitting in
the car which wastes lots of natural resource moving around. Remember we only
have one earth to live.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cameron Hart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 January 2010 2:27 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#2D3A44'>Imho it is not getting stuck behind bikes that gets car drivers
irate, but the flaunting of the road rules demonstrated by cyclists. Car
drivers start thinking it is unfair every time they see one ride through a red
light, or fail to indicate, or ride double/triple, or skip from road to
footpath as it suits, and unless everyones is following the same rules it
starts to turn into two sides – them against us. You start
resenting cyclists because they are not following the rules you are required
to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#2D3A44'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#2D3A44'>Maybe they should address this imbalance by bringing into effect
some things like cycle licenses (so you know they are qualified and even know
the road rules), headlights, brake lights, and indicators. Maybe they
need a WOF and cycle registration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#2D3A44'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#2D3A44'>Bring us all onto an equal footing and more respect for cyclists
might be found. It is easy to be tolerant of others when it is a level
playing field.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#2D3A44'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#2D3A44'>cameron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#2D3A44'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert martin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 January 2010 10:23 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>What an idiot. <br>
I think what most of the nasty drivers forget is that for every cyclist on the
road its one less car for them to get stuck behind. However I must admit
the Dyers pass road is terrible to drive up / down especially with the Lycra
brigade riding two a breast up a thin winding road. No excuse for nocking
people off the road or for driving a hummer !<br>
<br>
Rob<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='color:#FF9900'> </span><span
lang=EN-NZ> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><br>
On 29/01/2010 9:53 a.m., Conor Boyd wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Basically the need for a bit more tolerance from both cyclists and
car-drivers to sharing the road.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Exacerbated this week by a guy who lives in Cashmere, drives a
black Hummer (plate WARNIN with a surround that says "does not play well
with others"), and who posted online this week that he had knocked 2
cyclists into the kerb in the last 6 months and was quite prepared to do the
same again, but who subsequently half-heartedly apologised after he realised
that he was easily identifiable as Richard Freeman, the co-owner of the Sign of
the Takahe cafe/restaurant and a number of other businesses who look like they
will be taking a bit of a dent in patronage from now on.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Front page news in the Press on Wednesday I think it was.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Following by an alleged case of car-passenger assault on a cyclist
at the bottom of Dyers Pass Road yesterday morning.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Neither side are completely blameless, and it's a small minority on
either side who make it seem more of a car/cyclist war than it actually is, or
than it should be.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Personally, I'm glad I've got a commute that mostly sticks to
quieter roads than the main arteries.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>C.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [<a
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert martin<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I come in from the other side (St Albans). Whats
happening in Cashmere? I'm obviously out of the loop :)<br>
<br>
On 29/01/2010 9:23 a.m., Conor Boyd wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Likewise.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Although we won't mention the current Cashmere-based shenanigans.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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