[DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

[Richard Vowles]

2009/9/16 Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz>

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>
> I may be wrong, but I think Paul was more concerned about a stated
> intention made to him by Dev-Inc to take a matter up with Borland on his
> behalf and then a complete lack of any sort of feedback from Dev-Inc until
> what seemed to him to be a condescending comment about his current
> situation.
>

Dev Inc has never had a business relationship with Borland per-say. CodeGear
when they were part of Borland, but Dev Inc never sold "Borland" products. I
am unsure as to where this ostensible stated intention came from. I won't
deny it ever happened, but it has not happened in my memory and may have
been with another member of Dev Inc. Accusing me of a smirking comment was
rude.


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> But as for that $500-$600 price you quote ...  That’s a little disingenuous
> don’t you think?  Current pricing for Delphi 2010 Pro (Named User) is *
> $750* incl GST.  Or were you making an offer of a discount for DUG
> subscribers?  J
>

No I don't think it is. D2007 was just over $500 for an upgrade, D2009 was a
bit more (and fluctuates with pricing), D2010 is $665+GST. Quoting GST
inclusive prices of a business product is disingenuous I think, so I don't
do it.



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> Remember that many community users are not GST registered.  In many cases
> we may work for companies that are, but when maintaining our *own*licenses we have to pay the full asking price and often we don’t have
> customers from whom to recoup the cost.
>

Ohhhh - I actually know the stats, and a very small number of Delphi
licenses are sold to individuals. The reverse to what you are stating is
actually true. The fact that most people who have a work license also
install it at home if they want to means very few people buy it personally.


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> I’d also point out that the recent Delphi versions offer themselves up – or
> are offered up by CodeGear or others - for comparison with Visual Studio, in
> which endeavour they fail in one key respect... the lack of an entirely FREE
> edition.  (There isn’t even an entry level SKU comparable to “Standard”
> edition Visual Studio)
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> I’d like to prefix “current” to that word “lack”, but have no reason to do
> so at the moment.
>

In my opinion (I don't speak for Embarcadero *ever*) Microsoft isn't a tools
company, it is a platform company. Visual Studio makes sense to position
yourself against simply so managers understand what they are buying.

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