[DUG] Has Malcolm Groves Been Misrepresented?

[Paul A Norman]

Jolyon - not worth pursuing - it was your blog and you were writing on it.
I leave it there.

Paul

2009/10/16 Jeremy North <jeremy.north at gmail.com>

> Thanks for the clarification.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz>
> wrote:
> > No - the original remark was "on page 53" too.
> >
> > It was a *comment* responding to a *comment*.  Not a blog post.
> >
> > Paul misrepresented me as having blogged this.  I didn't.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz]
> On
> > Behalf Of Jeremy North
> > Sent: Friday, 16 October 2009 3:47 p.m.
> > To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> > Subject: Re: [DUG] Has Malcolm Groves Been Misrepresented?
> >
> > So you made the remark on the front page and hid the "apology" on the
> > 53rd page amongst the classifieds.
> >
> > Hardly a credible thing to do.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz>
> wrote:
> >> I also went on – in a subsequent comment – to say that things that
> Malcom
> >> didn’t seem to consider were that big, *were* in fact very noteworthy
> and
> >> worthwhile additions, imho.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think the actual position is somewhere between the two views.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> i.e. Delphi 2010 *is* more than just a “bug fix”, but it’s not as
> *major*
> > a
> >> release in terms of headline features that 2009 was, for example.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Perhaps Malcolm simply didn’t express that particularly well in
> Auckland.
> >> (there’s a danger that since people often complain that bugs don’t get
> >> fixed, attention is then drawn to “how many bugs we fixed” which then
> >> distracts away from “how much of, and how big, the new stuff is” – I was
> >> commenting on the perception that I felt Malcolm conveyed, not agreeing
> > that
> >> that perception was necessarily correct).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I myself was perhaps not clear enough on that point (the observations
> were
> >> in comments, not a blog post – I spend more time on posts than on
> > comments)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
> ]
> > On
> >> Behalf Of Paul A Norman
> >> Sent: Friday, 16 October 2009 2:59 p.m.
> >> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> >> Subject: [DUG] Has Malcolm Groves Been Misrepresented?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I was not at the Auckland presentation, and have had to rely on others'
> >> reporting of it. Jolyon who normally appears to be very careful in what
> he
> >> says and writes has said on his blog:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Malcolm Groves stood up in Auckland and openly told us that in his
> view,
> >> apart from 1 or 2 things, and really in *his* opinion only 1, Delphi
> 2010
> >> was basically a bug fix release with lots of little tweaks here and
> there.
> >> They charged full price for it of course and won’t be retrofitting those
> > bug
> >> fixes to Delphi 2009 or 2007 (where they would be of most use).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "I stress – that’s not my characterisation of the release as not
> > delivering
> >> much in the way of “new stuff”, it was his.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "David" wrote on Jolyon's blog:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "While I usually agree with you Jolyon I don’t feel Malcolm Groves told
> us
> >> Delphi 10 was mainly just bug fixes. What he did say was that there were
> >> only one or two big killer features but there were hundreds of small
> >> improvements. Some of these small improvements were no doubt bug fixes,
> > but
> >> many are enhancements and new features which from the sound of it really
> >> improve the IDE."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please, Jolyon, David and any one who was there, what is what? --
> Because
> >> like a lot of people, my decisions on ongoing use and purchase of Delphi
> >> very much depends on whether you have to factor in the next version as a
> >> paid for bug fix or not, on what you buy.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
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