[DUG] Has Malcolm Groves Been Misrepresented?

[Jeremy North]

Thanks for the clarification.


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:
> No - the original remark was "on page 53" too.
>
> It was a *comment* responding to a *comment*.  Not a blog post.
>
> Paul misrepresented me as having blogged this.  I didn't.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
> Behalf Of Jeremy North
> Sent: Friday, 16 October 2009 3:47 p.m.
> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> Subject: Re: [DUG] Has Malcolm Groves Been Misrepresented?
>
> So you made the remark on the front page and hid the "apology" on the
> 53rd page amongst the classifieds.
>
> Hardly a credible thing to do.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:
>> I also went on – in a subsequent comment – to say that things that Malcom
>> didn’t seem to consider were that big, *were* in fact very noteworthy and
>> worthwhile additions, imho.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the actual position is somewhere between the two views.
>>
>>
>>
>> i.e. Delphi 2010 *is* more than just a “bug fix”, but it’s not as *major*
> a
>> release in terms of headline features that 2009 was, for example.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps Malcolm simply didn’t express that particularly well in Auckland.
>> (there’s a danger that since people often complain that bugs don’t get
>> fixed, attention is then drawn to “how many bugs we fixed” which then
>> distracts away from “how much of, and how big, the new stuff is” – I was
>> commenting on the perception that I felt Malcolm conveyed, not agreeing
> that
>> that perception was necessarily correct).
>>
>>
>>
>> I myself was perhaps not clear enough on that point (the observations were
>> in comments, not a blog post – I spend more time on posts than on
> comments)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz]
> On
>> Behalf Of Paul A Norman
>> Sent: Friday, 16 October 2009 2:59 p.m.
>> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>> Subject: [DUG] Has Malcolm Groves Been Misrepresented?
>>
>>
>>
>> I was not at the Auckland presentation, and have had to rely on others'
>> reporting of it. Jolyon who normally appears to be very careful in what he
>> says and writes has said on his blog:
>>
>>
>>
>> "Malcolm Groves stood up in Auckland and openly told us that in his view,
>> apart from 1 or 2 things, and really in *his* opinion only 1, Delphi 2010
>> was basically a bug fix release with lots of little tweaks here and there.
>> They charged full price for it of course and won’t be retrofitting those
> bug
>> fixes to Delphi 2009 or 2007 (where they would be of most use).
>>
>>
>>
>> "I stress – that’s not my characterisation of the release as not
> delivering
>> much in the way of “new stuff”, it was his.
>>
>>
>>
>> "David" wrote on Jolyon's blog:
>>
>>
>>
>> "While I usually agree with you Jolyon I don’t feel Malcolm Groves told us
>> Delphi 10 was mainly just bug fixes. What he did say was that there were
>> only one or two big killer features but there were hundreds of small
>> improvements. Some of these small improvements were no doubt bug fixes,
> but
>> many are enhancements and new features which from the sound of it really
>> improve the IDE."
>>
>>
>>
>> Please, Jolyon, David and any one who was there, what is what? -- Because
>> like a lot of people, my decisions on ongoing use and purchase of Delphi
>> very much depends on whether you have to factor in the next version as a
>> paid for bug fix or not, on what you buy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
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