[DUG] Multi client website

Tue Aug 2 09:45:06 NZST 2016

Hi Stefan,

Thank you for your reply.

Your suggestion usd3 per month is really share hosting with thousands of
server on the same box, right? I guess windows iis server will not be very
happy about that. I think linux server is very happy about that.

I think that you really don't want to share with others for the same
machine on windows server asp.net mvc.

There is a huge difference between paying usd3 per month vs colocation a
high end server cost aud30k paying monthly fee 5k aud. I am doing asp.net
mvc development on the latter one. :-)

You are right amazon aws ec2 free server is a free trial for a year. But
that means amazon give you resource for 365 days using for free. :-) If
your web service can last that long, you already save some money compare to
paying some commercial service without knowing if the project can survive.

Regards
Leigh

On 1 August 2016 at 19:20, Stefan Mueller <muellers at orcl-toolbox.com> wrote:

> Leigh,
>
>
>
> >>To use asp.net mvc involves a cost which requires a windows server and
> iis. Windows server cost license fee.
>
> Plenty of hosting providers that offer asp.net support …. Godaddy does it
> for $3.99 USD a month https://sg.godaddy.com/hosting/windows-hosting …
> and even my favorite http://www.discountasp.net only costs $10 USD a
> month (you get what you pay). In my opinion especially if you do a
> commercial project then the cost of hosting nowadays is peanuts (by the
> time you outgrow shared and move to dedicated it’s still only a tiny part
> of your opex). It’s true that you can find cheaper linux hosting, but then
> in my opinion the whole development cycle and costs to create and maintain
> a complex datadriven website is just hands down easier to do in ASP.Net
> (due to framework and the fact that c# is a strong typed language) than
> PHP. I guess the real question is how complex is John’s website? Maybe PHP
> will do .. maybe ASP.Net is better, hard to tell without knowing exactly
> what he is up to.
>
>
>
>
>
> >>You suggested to jump the ship from delphi to c#
>
> I don’t know of many developers that actually run Delphi on Linux .. so
> most likely you still need a window server, one that supports ISAPI for
> IntraWeb .. your choices of hosting providers will be severely limited.
> Plus not to mention the costs of finding people that can actually maintain
> this later on .. I’ve done a few projects and learnt quite a bit from them:
> picking the right framework and tech is important to long term success ..
> you don’t want to end up in a situation where a few years later on you will
> have to rewrite your whole app and write off months of wasted development
> time just because you went down the wrong road and are stuck now with its
> shortcomings that slow you down and a tiny community that makes it hard to
> get support and questions answered.
>
>
>
>
>
> >>It is very slow to use asp.net mvc using amazon aws free server. It is
> very fast to do ubuntu linux on amazon aws ec2 free server to do web
> hosting.
>
> There are plenty of benchmarks that prove that asp.net mvc is a lot
> faster than php (
> http://www.miyconst.com/Blog/View/1049/asp-net-mvc-vs-php-yii-performance-comparison
> is interesting to read, not just because of the benchmark). AWS free isn’t
> really free – it’s just a one year “starter” offer that is intended for
> developers to try out AWS features – it is not for production servers.
> Sorry, no offense, but I start getting the feeling you are Scottish – not
> to say being frugal is a bad thing (not at all) ;-) !
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> *Stefan Müller*,
> R&D Manager
>
> *ORCL* *Toolbox Ltd.*
> Auckland, New Zealand
>
>
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> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:
> delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *Leigh Wanstead
> *Sent:* Monday, 1 August 2016 4:56 p.m.
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Multi client website
>
>
>
> Hi Stefan,
>
>
>
> You suggested to jump the ship from delphi to c#.
>
> If you really want to do that, I think that you need to consider following
> issue.
>
>
>
> To use asp.net mvc involves a cost which requires a windows server and
> iis. Windows server cost license fee.
>
>
>
> If you do it in linux, you can save the license fee of windows to buy some
> really nice stuff. :-)
>
>
>
> It is very slow to use asp.net mvc using amazon aws free server. It is
> very fast to do ubuntu linux on amazon aws ec2 free server to do web
> hosting.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Leigh
>
>
>
> On 31 July 2016 at 18:49, Stefan Mueller <muellers at orcl-toolbox.com>
> wrote:
>
> Couple of thoughts:
>
>
>
> ·        Don’t use Delphi for that, use ASP.Net MVC ... if you do web
> then using a proper web development tool makes things a lot easier. Delphi
> IntraWeb is probably ok if you need to cobble together a simple page and
> only know Delphi .. but other than that it’s a dead-end. The ASP.Net
> community is thriving with new exciting development and support available
> there. I am very fond of ASP.Net MVC, it does a lot of things right and is
> easy to learn coming from Delphi.
>
> ·        ASP.Net MVC routing & controllers architecture lets you
> seamlessly merge custom client pages with your “common” pages. You also get
> a lot of security already out of the box with that framework and handled
> for you (mentioning Cross-site scripting & Cross-site request forgery here)
> as well as client side forms validations.
>
> ·        DNS supports wildcard matching for a non-existing domain .. you
> can create a DNS record like “*.mydomain.co.nz” to point all to the same
> endpoint
>
> ·        On that endpoint you then can check the name of the domain
> requested and use that one to point to the right locations for your
> css/images (could even check if any for those customized files exists and
> if not serve your default files).
>
> ·        Cookies are a client side thing, what you really need is a
> server side solution to know what content to serve. Cookies can’t handle
> things such as website users that link to a common page first without
> having visited the client page first … and obviously website users wanting
> to watch 2 different of your clients websites also wouldn’t work because a
> cookie can only point to one client at a time … and then there are users
> (including google/bing/yahoo-bots that index your pages) that have cookies
> disabled.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> *Stefan Müller*,
> R&D Manager
>
> *ORCL* *Toolbox Ltd.*
> Auckland, New Zealand
>
>
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>
> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:
> delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *John C
> *Sent:* Sunday, 31 July 2016 1:42 p.m.
> *To:* 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
> *Subject:* [DUG] Multi client website
>
>
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> I have a website what will be available to the public but specific for
> more than one clients. The frame work of the website will be the same for
> each client but their images and CSS file will be different (making it look
> differently).
>
> The plan is to have a sub-domain for each client from where it will jump
> to the "common" pages on the main domain. The index file on each sub.domain
> identifies the client and therefore define the directory path to use for
> the images and the CSS file.
>
> I was thinking of doing this with cookies for the paths to be used in the
> main program, but I'm not sure it would be a good plan and if that will
> work properly (setting a cookie from within a sub.domain to be used in the
> main domain).
>
>
>
> Any ideas or suggestions of how to do this?
>
>
>
> Thanks a lot in advance
>
> John C
>
>
>
>
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