[DUG] Seattle questions

Tue Apr 12 06:58:42 NZST 2016

I think it will be great if Microsoft buy Delphi and free use delphi just
like Microsoft purchased Xamarin :-)

This way Delphi will be free to use and get a big user base.

On 12 April 2016 at 05:05, Tony Blomfield <tonyb at precepthealth.com> wrote:

> Thanks very much John.
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> Why and how do you use both ?
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> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:
> delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *John Bird
> *Sent:* Monday, 11 April 2016 4:33 p.m.
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Seattle questions
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> My perspective, and its a partial one.  But I work in a house using both
> XE8/Seattle and C#
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> Q1 – XE8 is fine (our current production version) and all the comments
> about Seattle I have heard are good – large projects more stable in
> particular.
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> Q2
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> ·         Which is more effective at producing finished product. (Faster
> to market)
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> ·         Both are fast – Delphi compiler and single file deploy is still
> very hard to beat.
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> ·         Which is more effective at meeting customer’s needs. (Faster
> customisations)
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> ·         Everyones opinion will differ on this
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> ·         Solution performance. Which is better. (How snappy is the
> solution to use)
>
> ·         Delphi performance is hard to beat.   A lot of .NET is also
> very good these days.   But not all.
>
> ·         Security. Which is better. (.NET seems inherently flawed in
> this respect)
>
> ·         Delphi does not have zero terminated strings – this has to be a
> huge advantage as buffer overflows in strings are likely the main security
> weakness in C family of products.  Runtime languages such as .NET and Java
> have a spotty reputation too.   Security is ultimately much more than the
> language, but to my eyes Delphi starts with less weakness.
>
> ·         Deployment. Which is easier?
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> ·         Single file vs a folder structure of hundreds of files – and
> the issue of figuring which files of those files to deploy for a new
> version.
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> ·         Does the Delphi team sit comfortably alongside the .NET team ?
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> ·         Yup, 3 teams using both.   Each team prefers one or other, but
> uses both.   Remember Anders Hejlsberg designed both
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> ·         Which product fits better with latest business strategies such
> as IOT and Cloud ?
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> ·         Everyone’s opinion varies according to what they know and like.
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> ·         Q3 – WPF - Yes with differences – merits in both
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> ·         Q4 – Credibility - refer surveys – latest TIOBE index has
> Delphi at Number 11, at half to two thirds popularity of C#.   Higher than
> Objective C and Swift still.  Java, C and C++ are still the biggest
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> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index
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> Q5 – IOT/Cloud - Delphi does Web Services, IIS and DBs, and cross compiles
> to Win32, Win64, OSX, iOS, Android and linux server soon.  Others can add
> more specific cloud points.
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> Q6 -  Where - Europe seems strongest bastion of Delphi, but everywhere.
> Maybe not India – they all want to seem to do SQL Server, C# and Oracle
> there so they can get jobs in California.
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> Q7 – Cost - Cost is reasonable to me.   If it has to be free looks like
> Free Pascal is a decent alternative too - never had to look at it myself.
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> Q8 – Support - Mainly good.   Generally resolve any issues within days or
> hours – and its usually the way I’m doing it that is at fault
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> Q9 – Developers - Mainly older developers tis true.  But only mainly.
> Some of them think that Delphi may still be going strong when C# fades from
> popularity – mainly for the reasons of:
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> a – its a good language (Thanks Nicholas Wirth – designed as a good formal
> teaching language)
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> b – its already cross platform, so competes with the biggies of C and Java
> with advantages over each.
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> *From:* Tony Blomfield <tonyb at precepthealth.com>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2016 1:21 PM
>
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> <delphi at listserver.123.net.nz>
>
> *Subject:* [DUG] Seattle questions
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>
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> I hope the group does not mind me asking a few business oriented questions
> about Seattle.
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> I have had Seattle since its original release, but so far have not used
> it. I have become quite cynical about Delphi as a result of my XE2
> experiences.
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> 1.       I’d like to hear from anyone that is using Seattle in full
> production, general thoughts about its features, and productivity.
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> 2.       If there is anyone also using .NET? It would be particularly
> useful if they could compare from a *Business perspective* the pro’s and
> cons. For example.
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>
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> ·         Which is more effective at producing finished product. (Faster
> to market)
>
> ·         Which is more effective at meeting customer’s needs. (Faster
> customisations)
>
> ·         Solution performance. Which is better. (How snappy is the
> solution to use)
>
> ·         Security. Which is better. (.NET seems inherently flawed in
> this respect)
>
> ·         Deployment. Which is easier?
>
> ·         Does the Delphi team sit comfortably alongside the .NET team ?
>
> ·         Which product fits better with latest business strategies such
> as IOT and Cloud ?
>
>
>
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> 3.       Does Seattle have any comparative presentation layer to compete
> with WPF ? Does anyone used it ? Does it support well MVVM ?
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> 4.       Market credibility for Delphi is low. Most International
> Corporate clients have never heard of it, and those that have are very
> cynical. How to overcome this marketing hurdle?
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> 5.       What is the Delphi developers strategy for Cloud deployment ?
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> 6.       Which country has the greatest penetration of Delphi Seattle ?
> Where are the best developers available ?
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> 7.       How do you feel about the high cost of Delphi compared to VS ?
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> 8.       How is the support for Delphi ? User groups, and Embarcadero
> maintenance contract ?
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> 9.       And finally:  How is the market availability of Delphi
> developers these days ?
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> Thanks very much,
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>
>
> Tony
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