[DUG] EMBARCADERO MY GRIPE

Wed Jul 29 12:52:38 NZST 2015

Mmmm,  the EDN forums along with this group and stack-overflow are my go-to for support questions,  I find the EDN forums almost unusable.

I don’t get that message but I do find it is very often extremely slow, especially if you are posting something or trying to reply - a case in point, before I started this DUG post I clicked on “reply”  to a response to one of my firemonkey forum questions, it is still “connecting” now, several minutes later. On the plus side though I could actually get into the forums today often they are unavailable. ….

I’m considering having a rant at the next Delphi event in Auckland, I’ve been trying to develop an Android/IOS app and have found the process really frustrating, soul destroying even, to the point that I’m on the verge of dropping Delphi for the app development as I no longer consider it a professional product, there are too many bugs and weird behaviours. There seem to be some really basic things that just don’t work (version numbers on deployment builds for example and in IOS the embedded webbrowser  doesn’t display the virtual keyboard properly, which will probably be a showstopper as Apple probably won’t allow that onto itunes ). 

An update, the EDN reply is still “connecting”…… 

Is anyone else having these issues? 

From: delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] On Behalf Of Jeremy Coulter
Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2015 11:42 a.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List <delphi at listserver.123.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [DUG] EMBARCADERO MY GRIPE

This is MY gripe! seems to happen a lot too!

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com <mailto:leigh.wanstead at gmail.com> > wrote:

Xamarin gave me 15% discount for android and ios if I renew next year. :-) 

On 28 July 2015 at 09:17, Jeremy Coulter <jscoulter at gmail.com <mailto:jscoulter at gmail.com> > wrote:

have you seen the PRICE for Xamarin?? Delphi is certainly cheaper!

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Tony Blomfield <tonyb at precepthealth.com <mailto:tonyb at precepthealth.com> > wrote:

Can anyone advise how to access the upgrades that I should be entitled to ?

The issue I have relates to my account. Having finally been talked into the supposed benefits of a maintenance contract I purchased same back in January.

They pestered the hell out of me about payment. Apparently their system could not process a Master card.

Finally we got that resolved somehow, but I never received an invoice, licensing or anything else.

After much tooing and froing I finally got a license and duly installed XE7. Never have I seen an invoice.  Actually I have never upped anything to Xe7 because its such a major event to upgrade large projects in Delphi, and clearly it was just another WIP. Finally yesterday I decided to try out XE8 after hearing from this group that its usable.

I went to my account and there is no sign of any XE8 upgrade or maintenance. I called Embarcadero all day and got no answer. I sent two Emails and at 11PM last night got a very vague and unhelpful response

I am fed up with Embarcadero and the lies an deceit and the high cost of ownership. We are 50% .NET and 50% Delphi. Unless I get some solution on this today I am going to direct the company to move to 100% .NET over the next 12 months and use Xamarin.  

From: delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz <mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>  [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz <mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz> ] On Behalf Of Jolyon Smith
Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2015 7:50 a.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] EMBARCADERO

I think perhaps it's a question of context.  They were pretty slow in responding when I had to contact them regarding an increase in my SA renewal in contravention of their own terms and conditions (the required notice was not provided, they simply presented an invoice with an increased amount).

They took their own sweet time to respond and when they did they simply referred me to the clause in the terms and conditions allowing them to increase the renewal by up to 5%.  This even included the required notice period which they had completely ignored !!!

Yet for some reason they LOVE sending me marketing emails, frequently and often duplicated, even though I have specifically unsubscribed from all their spam lists and opted out of ALL communications in my EDN accounts.  It's almost as if the Unsolicited Electronic Messages Act (2007) does not exist (and yes I have directed their attention to this and their violation of it, repeatedly).  And yes, they are covered by that act since they are "an organisation that carries on business or activities in New Zealand."  (8.2.b in the act).

As for the SA renewal, I eventually got them to retract their invoice and re-submit at the previous rate, which I then took great pleasure in declining to renew.

Good luck.

On 27 July 2015 at 20:02, Tony Blomfield <tonyb at precepthealth.com <mailto:tonyb at precepthealth.com> > wrote:

OK Il wait. Maybe I am being too touchy. Thanks a lot.

From: delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz <mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>  [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz <mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz> ] On Behalf Of Jeremy Coulter
Sent: Monday, 27 July 2015 7:00 p.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] EMBARCADERO

Its not a holiday in Australia? I too have always found them pretty responsive.

Jeremy

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 6:07 PM, David Brennan <dugdavid at dbsolutions.co.nz <mailto:dugdavid at dbsolutions.co.nz> > wrote:

Hi,

I’ve found them pretty responsive of late, but I guess all my contact has been emailing people I already have details for rather than using the generic contacts.

Perhaps try Malcolm Groves Malcolm.Groves at embarcadero.com <mailto:Malcolm.Groves at embarcadero.com> 

Unless something has changed Malcolm is quite high up in the Australian/Asian hierarchy, he may not be able to answer your question directly but should be able to make sure that someone in the right department gets in touch with you.

Regards,

David.

From: delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz <mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>  [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz <mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz> ] On Behalf Of Tony Blomfield
Sent: Monday, 27 July 2015 5:38 p.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: [DUG] EMBARCADERO

Does this company actually exist ? Or is it just a brief case co as a one man band.

All attempts to contact them have failed. Their phone in Oz is never manned and they never reply to Emails

I just want to discuss my account with them because it looks like they have ripped me off again over this supposed maintenance pack and upgrades.

Does anyone have a contact for them ?

No wonder everyone has walked away to .NET or Xamarin or anything else.

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