[DUG] Auckland Event Details

Mon May 5 13:51:18 NZST 2014

Hi Jolyon,

>>RemObjects Elements

My understanding is RemObjects Elements will just use android dalvik java
platform. It will run the same speed as java code.which is not native code.
I think native code is using c/c++ in NDK, or Delphi Xe :-) or Xamarin
Android.

Regards
Leigh

On 5 May 2014 11:12, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:

> What makes less sense is the way that they added support for those
> platforms.  You are right to highlight the manner in which they have
> managed to tick boxes.  Unfortunately it is *purely* an exercise in
> ticking boxes.  Far less useful as a solid basis for continuing to be able
> to *keep* those boxes ticked.
>
> Delphi was always a niche product.  Despite the marketing, their
> cross-platform solution is *not* Delphi for "iOS/OS X/Android" (and it
> painfully clearly is not Delphi for .NET, let alone WinRT or WinPhone).  It
> is "Delphi for FireMonkey", with the ability to deploy to any platform that
> FireMonkey manages to cajole a semblance of support for within the
> constraints of what the approach allows.
>
> i.e. you cannot build true Android solutions using FireMonkey because the
> way that FireMonkey works rules out certain capabilities of that platform.
>  Similarly your FireMonkey Android apps will not benefit from ART.  Sure,
> your FireMonkey app is "native code", but is also bogged down by the
> non-platform native frameworks required to make even "Hello World"possible,
> so whilst true platform native apps gain all the benefits that that
> platform delivers, FireMonkey remains stuck in it's own world.
>
> i.e. FireMonkey created a niche within a niche.
>
>
> Having attracted the interest of Delphi developers to the platforms that
> FireMonkey ticks the boxes for, many of those developers will quickly
> realise the limits and look instead at the alternatives, at which point
> they realise just how far behind Delphi has fallen over the years while
> Embarcadero wasted their time on the Smoking Chimp.
>
> As for the renewed interest in developing the VCL, this can be seen as a
> return to core value, or it could be seen as a belated recognition that
> FireMonkey is not in fact the secure future for Delphi/Embarcadero that it
> was supposed to be, and worst of all, without any viable strategy for
> supporting the platform on which that core value rests - i.e. the latest
> and future versions of Windows - even that core value is now at risk.
>
>
> For myself, I now use a combination of RemObjects Elements and Xcode for
> most of my work.  Delphi is now very much a legacy platform.
>
>
> On 5 May 2014 10:46, David Brennan <dugdavid at dbsolutions.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> It was a good seminar IMO. I understand why Embarcadero have decided to
>> spend so much time adding support for OS-X, iOS and Android, at some point
>> we may even take advantage of it. More importantly though I’m glad they
>> seem to have realised that now they have ticked those boxes they need to
>> return to address quality across the product.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just hope that XE7 will continue that trend so that the Delphi IDE and
>> executables continue to improve in speed and robustness. I’m also hoping
>> that XE7 will see a big push to make Code Insight bulletproof (or as bullet
>> proof as such a thing can be, given that if you screw your syntax up
>> completely midway through a big change it is always going to struggle, but
>> it would be nice if it returned to fully operational once you tidy things
>> up a bit!).
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:
>> delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Coulter
>> *Sent:* Monday, 5 May 2014 10:10 a.m.
>> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Auckland Event Details
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah let us know hen its done. We didnt attend the presentation for
>> various reasons, although it would have be good, so am looking forward to
>> hearing what Marco had to say.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Alister Christie <
>> alister at salespartner.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> I managed to spend a number of hours with Marco after the presentation,
>> and have about an hour and a quarter recorded, which I will make available
>> after Marco has reviewed it.  It was great talking with him, it seems that
>> Embarcadero made a good choice appointing him Product Manager for Rad
>> Studio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alister
>>
>>
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>> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Gary Benner <gary at benner.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> HI All,
>>
>> Sorry this is a little late but just got back from a trip overseas.
>>
>> To endorse Alister's comment, great opportunity to meet Marco.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Please see below details for the RAD XE6 Launch. Please will you forward
>> this email invitation to members of the NZDUD to register/attend the event.
>>
>>
>>
>> Date and Venue:
>>
>> Friday, 02 May: Auckland
>>
>> Venue: Rydges Auckland - 59 Federal Street Cnr Kingston Street, Auckland
>> 1010, New Zealand
>>
>> Time: 8.30am Registrations, 9:00am – 12:00pm
>>
>> http://forms.embarcadero.com/AP14Q2NZDeveloperDirectLIVE
>>
>>
>>
>> The event will be hosted by Damien Bootsma with special guest-speaker,
>> Marco Cantu, RAD Studio Product Manager, global luminary & author of over a
>> dozen books on Delphi. This event is not to be missed, so register NOW, as
>> spaces are limited!
>>
>> Be amongst the first to see live previews of RAD Studio XE6 and all of
>> the great new technology, with the latest enhancements to the VCL and more.
>> Here's a glimpse of what is in store:
>>
>> Empowering your VCL codebase and developer productivity
>>
>>
>>
>> • Give Your VCL apps a new look-and-feel with improved VCL Styling
>> • Introducing Win 7/8 taskbar buttons
>>
>> Database, integration and scalable services with RAD Studio XE6
>>
>>
>>
>> • Core Database Features Improvements
>> • New FireDAC Database Explorer and more
>> • Working with JSON and XML
>> • Building scalable and secure DataSnap services
>>
>> Embrace and Extend Your Mobile and VCL applications
>>
>>
>>
>> • App Tethering
>> • Not reinventing the wheel with new BAAS Client components
>>
>> "Turning on" to mobile and The FM Application Platform
>>
>>
>>
>> • Introducing Android support in C++Builder XE6
>> • App Monetization with Advertising and In-App Purchases
>>
>> Evolution within a revolution: Summary and Q&A
>>
>> If you are an application developer, technologist or development team
>> leader and interested in modernising your VCL apps & extending your
>> applications to mobile devices for your customers, then this event is for
>> you!
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
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