[DUG] Average Salary

Wed Jul 31 12:47:43 NZST 2013

I am not sure about all these test usefulness. Why not ask the job seeker
to do some real job which you plan to hire them to do? I usually knows the
people skill by looking at the code they wrote which is no more than a page.

Just my 2 cents

Regards
Leigh

On 31 July 2013 12:26, Jeremy North <jeremy.north at gmail.com> wrote:

> I do a verbal (during the interview) and written test. The verbal are
> things like explain the differences between the visibility specifiers, what
> is notification used for, where is it implemented (what type). If they get
> the notification stuff (there are some other questions about it) I ask if
> they know what design pattern is used for the implementation of the
> notification system.
>
> The written test has some short answer questions basically prodding the
> knowledge of the RTL and VCL/FireMonkey (we are using FireMonkey on a
> project atm). Then we have a larger design question where we give a
> specification and ask them to detail classes to be written to implement the
> spec. It gives us a big idea of their OO and design skills. We also ask
> thread specific questions.
>
> The written test is about an hour. (we leave for 10 mins reading and pop
> back for any questions). Test is written, no PC (although next time we
> might supply a PC).
> The verbal I have about 10 questions, depending on how they answer this
> can be cut down or added to. If they can't explain the difference in
> visibility, the verbal question time is very short <g>. They are short
> answer usually (depending on the candidate trying to "wing it") so doesn't
> take long.
>
> All up, the interview would be about 1.5 hrs.
>
> I'd never ask a brain teaser or puzzle question either, in my eyes, that
> just makes you look like a tosser - leave them for the Monday morning
> meeting.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:06 AM, David O'Brien <Dave at iccs.co.nz> wrote:
>
>>  Just as a matter of interest, can you give an example of one of these
>> tests?****
>>
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>> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:
>> delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *David Brennan
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 July 2013 11:58 a.m.
>>
>> *To:* 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Average Salary****
>>
>>  ** **
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>> Aye. We have what we consider to be a reasonably easy first test and we
>> only interview people with at least an A- average from University and yet
>> more than half still fail the test. Admittedly we are looking for 100%
>> correct but the test is simple enough that this shouldn’t be too high a
>> bar, the answer is less than a dozen logic and arithmetic expressions.***
>> *
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>> After the first test we have a harder second test which has a few
>> subtleties which we don’t expect anyone to get in a test situation, this
>> provides a better gauge than the first test which is basically a boolean
>> gate, pass or fail.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Back to Steve’s question, you have to qualify what you mean as it depends
>> on experience. A graduate developer worth hiring probably gets 45-55k in
>> their first year I would say, and then goes up from there based on how they
>> perform.****
>>
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>>
>> David.****
>>
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>> ** **
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>> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [
>> mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz<delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Jeremy North
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 July 2013 11:23 a.m.
>> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Average Salary****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If you are looking to hire, I suggest you be prepared to pay for a good
>> one. Make sure you have a good test though, my experience is that there are
>> a lot of "guru", "expert", "senior" Delphi developers out there that are
>> absolutely useless. Drag and drop code zombies.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The last time we hired (about 15 months ago) we sifted through about 50
>> (sometimes questionable) resumes and interviewed 8. Three of those walked
>> out of the test at various stages (one read it and left - said we wouldn't
>> like the answer he would give WTF!) and the test wasn't super hard - I
>> wrote it :-) (we were looking to fill a senior level position). It isn't
>> always about completing the test, but having a candidate acknowledge they
>> don't know something is 400% better than them trying to talk around it and
>> guess.****
>>
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>> At the end of the day, I don't consider any of the people I work with
>> "average" developers. I wouldn't like to work with average people.****
>>
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>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Steve Peacocke <steve at peacocke.net>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> Hi Everyone,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I was just wondering, what is the average salary for a permanent Delphi
>> developer out there in the marketplace these days?
>> ****
>>
>>
>> Steve Peacocke
>> Mobile: +64 220 612-611****
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