[DUG] XE2 upgrade

Mon Sep 19 12:19:22 NZST 2011

It sounds like you should upgrade one license, and see how well your 
legacy applications compile and start doing a bit of testing - you may 
even be able to do this with the trial - I quite like the recent version 
of Delphi, however XE2 seems to be a bit of a step back in terms of 
stability of the IDE, I presume this will be resolved in the next few 
updates.

Alister Christie
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On 19/09/2011 11:55 a.m., David Brennan wrote:
>
> Agreed.
>
> If I put aside my grumpiness about the Unicode issue (which does annoy 
> me) I don't actually have a problem with the overall policy, in my 
> opinion pretty much any software company that wants to grow longterm 
> these days needs to have a way of getting ongoing value out of 
> existing users whether through maintenance fees, upgrades, or 
> whatever. So it's a fair cop to say that upgrade pricing is only 
> available for 3 years or so.
>
> And I really would like to use XE2, just frustrating that we have this 
> unwelcome obstacle and potential stumbling block with our biggest 
> customers to overcome.
>
> David.
>
> *From:*delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz 
> [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *Jolyon Smith
> *Sent:* Monday, 19 September 2011 11:30 a.m.
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] XE2 upgrade
>
> Ah yes, I see.  The other way to look at it is that if you haven't 
> upgraded since D2007 then you are "up" by $500 USD for each version 
> upgrade since... (2009, 2010, XE... $1500 in total).  So if you 
> upgrade now/in the next 3 months you get $2000 worth of upgrades 
> (2009, 2010, XE, XE2) for $500, PLUS retain the right to upgrade to 
> XE3 - or indeed the right to not upgrade again until XE6 if you prefer 
> (assuming current policy and practices continue).
>
> I understand the problem of not being able to use those intermediate 
> (or indeed current) versions directly, but at some point I guess the 
> value in the transaction has to be weighed in terms of opportunity 
> cost as well as more tangible measures.  Which isn't to say that I 
> agree with the tactic of strong-arming upgrades in this way.  I don't.
>
> Also, upgrading now would equip you to undertake NEW projects in a 
> Unicode version of Delphi (if possible and relevant), or at least test 
> them (or specific pieces of new code) in such a version while 
> developing primarily in 2007, making any future effort to migrate ALL 
> your projects to Unicode that bit easier than if you continue to 
> create ALL projects in non-Unicode versions untested in a Unicode 
> version, creating just more "will it convert/migrate 
> safely/easily/reliably/performantly" questions that you have still yet 
> to answer.
>
> imho.  ymmv.  :)
>
> On 19 September 2011 11:01, David Brennan <dugdavid at dbsolutions.co.nz 
> <mailto:dugdavid at dbsolutions.co.nz>> wrote:
>
> Yes, this is a nice feature and one I applaud, but not particularly 
> relevant to us (it would be very relevant if we wanted to buy a new 
> Delphi 2007 licence I agree).
>
> My point is that we already have Delphi 2007 licences. My complaint is 
> that apparently they intend making these licences invalid for upgrades 
> in three months time. That implies we should upgrade shortly BUT we 
> can't actually use anything we get out of the upgrade. So the upgrade 
> would purely be to get upgrade pricing and hoping that we will be able 
> to use XE2 sometime in the near future.
>
> Given that two upgrades cost more than buying from scratch the 
> question of whether we would be able to switch from 2007 to XE2 before 
> the next version (XE3) comes out becomes critical. I don't actually 
> know the answer to that currently.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David.
>
> *From:*delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz 
> <mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz> 
> [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz 
> <mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>] *On Behalf Of *Jolyon Smith
> *Sent:* Monday, 19 September 2011 10:19 a.m.
>
>
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] XE2 upgrade
>
> You need not worry too much on that score.
>
> XE2 continues the "feature" introduced in XE of providing licenses for 
> a number of earlier versions of Delphi.  That covers D2007 thru XE and 
> Delphi 7.  The only slight catch is that you have to specifically 
> request products keys for those additional licenses within 180 days of 
> registering your XE2 license.  But 180 days (6 months, give or take) 
> is plenty of time (but also enough time to "forget"!), but they could 
> make the process of obtaining those keys easier ... well, getting the 
> keys is easy enough, but finding out where to GO to get them isn't.
>
> You would have thought they would put a URL in the ESD order email (or 
> better yet, just send you keys and download links for ALL versions to 
> which you have entitlement).
>
> On 19 September 2011 09:56, David Brennan <dugdavid at dbsolutions.co.nz 
> <mailto:dugdavid at dbsolutions.co.nz>> wrote:
>
> The problem with this policy Embarcadero has is that Delphi 2007 is 
> the last non Unicode and many (including us) are stuck on that because 
> Unicode will inevitably introduce some bugs, take up a bit more memory 
> and potentially slow things down which are all negatives for our 
> biggest customers and given these customers are English speaking there 
> is no upside for us to point to (they don't really care that the 
> software can then be made to support Japanese etc).
>
> So upgrading to Delphi XE2 currently would be purely just to keep us 
> in the upgrade loop with a valid version. We can't use any version 
> newer than the one we already have. And that sucks.
>
> Having said that there are sufficient new features in the language and 
> the IDE appears to have stabilised enough with the recent versions 
> that we MIGHT be able to make a commercial case for upgrading our 
> applications to XE2. It is just a much harder case to make than if 
> there was a switch to turn Unicode off (as I believe Jolyon has 
> lamented in the past).
>
> Cheers,
>
> David.
>
> *From:*delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz 
> <mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz> 
> [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz 
> <mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>] *On Behalf Of *Jolyon Smith
> *Sent:* Monday, 19 September 2011 9:32 a.m.
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] XE2 upgrade
>
> http://store.digitalriver.com/store?Action=DisplayCategoryProductListPage&SiteID=borland&Locale=en_NZ&categoryID=628800 
> <http://store.digitalriver.com/store?Action=DisplayCategoryProductListPage&SiteID=borland&Locale=en_NZ&categoryID=628800>
>
> Note that the NZ store is the "International USD Store" so prices are 
> in USD.
>
> Note also that as mentioned in my reply to John, upgrade pricing is 
> only valid for D2007 licenses and later (D2009 and later from 1 Jan 2012)
>
> On 19 September 2011 09:18, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com 
> <mailto:leigh.wanstead at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Where can I find the delphi xe2 price url?
>
> Regards
> Leigh
>
> 2011/9/19 Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz 
> <mailto:jsmith at deltics.co.nz>>
>
> iirc the (current) policy is "current and two previous versions"
>
> So for XE2 "current" = "XE" and two previous would be 2010 and 2009. 
>  Since they introduced the upgrade versions window "traditionally" 
> they have extended an "upgrade amnesty" for the *next* older version 
> until the end of the year following release of a new version.  All of 
> this would appear to still hold true this time around.  From the 
> Embarcadero online store product information page:
>
>   * Upgrade pricing is available to registered owners of 2007-XE
>     versions of RAD Studio, Delphi or C++Builder; Professional,
>     Enterprise or Architect editions.
>   * ...
>   * After Dec 31, 2011, only 2009-XE users qualify for upgrade pricing.
>
> So your D2007 license will remain valid for upgrades until Dec 31 this 
> year.
>
> On 17 September 2011 22:08, John Bird <johnkbird at paradise.net.nz 
> <mailto:johnkbird at paradise.net.nz>> wrote:
>
> I am planning ahead for when I upgrade from D2007 to either XE2 or the 
> next version -- is there an existing deadline that D2007 as a valid 
> upgrade version will expire?   (ie after that I would have to buy a 
> new version?)
>
> John
>
>
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