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It sounds like you should upgrade one license, and see how well your
legacy applications compile and start doing a bit of testing - you
may even be able to do this with the trial - I quite like the recent
version of Delphi, however XE2 seems to be a bit of a step back in
terms of stability of the IDE, I presume this will be resolved in
the next few updates.<br>
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On 19/09/2011 11:55 a.m., David Brennan wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Agreed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
I put aside my grumpiness about the Unicode issue (which
does annoy me) I don’t actually have a problem with the
overall policy, in my opinion pretty much any software
company that wants to grow longterm these days needs to have
a way of getting ongoing value out of existing users whether
through maintenance fees, upgrades, or whatever. So it’s a
fair cop to say that upgrade pricing is only available for 3
years or so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And
I really would like to use XE2, just frustrating that we
have this unwelcome obstacle and potential stumbling block
with our biggest customers to overcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">David.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz">mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Jolyon Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 19 September 2011 11:30 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] XE2 upgrade<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ah yes, I see. The other way to look at it
is that if you haven't upgraded since D2007 then you are "up"
by $500 USD for each version upgrade since... (2009, 2010,
XE... $1500 in total). So if you upgrade now/in the next 3
months you get $2000 worth of upgrades (2009, 2010, XE, XE2)
for $500, PLUS retain the right to upgrade to XE3 - or indeed
the right to not upgrade again until XE6 if you prefer
(assuming current policy and practices continue).<br>
<br>
I understand the problem of not being able to use those
intermediate (or indeed current) versions directly, but at
some point I guess the value in the transaction has to be
weighed in terms of opportunity cost as well as more tangible
measures. Which isn't to say that I agree with the tactic of
strong-arming upgrades in this way. I don't.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Also, upgrading now would equip you to
undertake NEW projects in a Unicode version of Delphi (if
possible and relevant), or at least test them (or specific
pieces of new code) in such a version while developing
primarily in 2007, making any future effort to migrate ALL
your projects to Unicode that bit easier than if you
continue to create ALL projects in non-Unicode versions
untested in a Unicode version, creating just more "will it
convert/migrate safely/easily/reliably/performantly"
questions that you have still yet to answer.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">imho. ymmv. :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 19 September 2011 11:01, David
Brennan <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dugdavid@dbsolutions.co.nz">dugdavid@dbsolutions.co.nz</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Yes, this
is a nice feature and one I applaud, but not
particularly relevant to us (it would be very
relevant if we wanted to buy a new Delphi 2007
licence I agree).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">My point is
that we already have Delphi 2007 licences. My
complaint is that apparently they intend making
these licences invalid for upgrades in three
months time. That implies we should upgrade
shortly BUT we can’t actually use anything we get
out of the upgrade. So the upgrade would purely be
to get upgrade pricing and hoping that we will be
able to use XE2 sometime in the near future. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Given that
two upgrades cost more than buying from scratch
the question of whether we would be able to switch
from 2007 to XE2 before the next version (XE3)
comes out becomes critical. I don’t actually know
the answer to that currently.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">David.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-US"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz"
target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz"
target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jolyon Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 19 September 2011 10:19
a.m.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group -
Delphi List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] XE2 upgrade<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You
need not worry too much on that score.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">XE2
continues the "feature" introduced in XE of
providing licenses for a number of earlier
versions of Delphi. That covers D2007 thru XE
and Delphi 7. The only slight catch is that
you have to specifically request products keys
for those additional licenses within 180 days
of registering your XE2 license. But 180 days
(6 months, give or take) is plenty of time
(but also enough time to "forget"!), but they
could make the process of obtaining those keys
easier ... well, getting the keys is easy
enough, but finding out where to GO to get
them isn't.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You
would have thought they would put a URL in the
ESD order email (or better yet, just send you
keys and download links for ALL versions to
which you have entitlement).<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
19 September 2011 09:56, David Brennan <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dugdavid@dbsolutions.co.nz"
target="_blank">dugdavid@dbsolutions.co.nz</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The
problem with this policy Embarcadero
has is that Delphi 2007 is the last
non Unicode and many (including us)
are stuck on that because Unicode will
inevitably introduce some bugs, take
up a bit more memory and potentially
slow things down which are all
negatives for our biggest customers
and given these customers are English
speaking there is no upside for us to
point to (they don’t really care that
the software can then be made to
support Japanese etc).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">So
upgrading to Delphi XE2 currently
would be purely just to keep us in the
upgrade loop with a valid version. We
can’t use any version newer than the
one we already have. And that sucks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Having
said that there are sufficient new
features in the language and the IDE
appears to have stabilised enough with
the recent versions that we MIGHT be
able to make a commercial case for
upgrading our applications to XE2. It
is just a much harder case to make
than if there was a switch to turn
Unicode off (as I believe Jolyon has
lamented in the past).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">David.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid
#B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"
lang="EN-US"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz"
target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz"
target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jolyon Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 19 September
2011 9:32 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers
Group - Delphi List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] XE2
upgrade</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://store.digitalriver.com/store?Action=DisplayCategoryProductListPage&SiteID=borland&Locale=en_NZ&categoryID=628800"
target="_blank">http://store.digitalriver.com/store?Action=DisplayCategoryProductListPage&SiteID=borland&Locale=en_NZ&categoryID=628800</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Note
that the NZ store is the
"International USD Store" so
prices are in USD.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Note
also that as mentioned in my reply
to John, upgrade pricing is only
valid for D2007 licenses and later
(D2009 and later from 1 Jan 2012)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
19 September 2011 09:18, Leigh
Wanstead <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:leigh.wanstead@gmail.com"
target="_blank">leigh.wanstead@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Where
can I find the delphi xe2 price
url?<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<span style="color:#888888">Leigh</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">2011/9/19
Jolyon Smith <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz"
target="_blank">jsmith@deltics.co.nz</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">iirc
the (current) policy is
"current and two previous
versions"<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So
for XE2 "current" = "XE"
and two previous would
be 2010 and 2009. Since
they introduced the
upgrade versions window
"traditionally" they
have extended an
"upgrade amnesty" for
the *next* older version
until the end of the
year following release
of a new version. All
of this would appear to
still hold true this
time around. From the
Embarcadero online store
product information
page:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#4F4C4D;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;background:white">Upgrade
pricing is available
to registered owners
of 2007-XE versions
of RAD Studio,
Delphi or
C++Builder;
Professional,
Enterprise or
Architect editions.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#4F4C4D;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;background:white">...</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#4F4C4D;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;background:white">After
Dec 31, 2011, only
2009-XE users
qualify for upgrade
pricing.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So
your D2007 license will
remain valid for
upgrades until Dec 31
this year.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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am planning
ahead for when
I upgrade from
D2007 to
either XE2 or
the next
version – is
there an
existing
deadline that
D2007 as a
valid upgrade
version will
expire? (ie
after that I
would have to
buy a new
version?)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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