[DUG] FW: Web development

[John Bird]

That was the MS principle - EEE

ie, Embrace, Extend (in a non-standard way), Extinguish (the alternatives).
They tried and failed that in the Java world already with J++

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B

which includes the interesting quotes from internal MS emails:

    Retrieved 2009-03-15. "A September 1997 E-mail message, sent by a 
Microsoft official identified as P. Sridharan, is quoted as saying: "Let's 
move on and steal the Java language. That said, have we ever taken a look at 
how long it would take Microsoft to build a cross-platform Java that did 
work? Naturally, we would never do it, but it would give us some idea of how 
much time we have to work with in killing Sun's Java.""

    ^ "Microsoft A History of Anticompetitive Behavior and Consumer Harm". 
European Committee for Interoperable Systems. 2009-03-31. Retrieved 
2009-04-22. "We should just quietly grow j++ share and assume that people 
will take more advantage of our classes without ever realizing they are 
building win32-only java apps."

However from what I have heard from friends, ASP and IE8/IE9 have made a 
decent job of reasserting standards, including using CSS, HTML5, XML and 
XSLT.    Comments from others?


John

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rohit Gupta
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:22 AM
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] FW: Web development

Well thats where half my time goes, getting the things to work on all
browsers - especially the MS ones.  Then there are people still using IE7!!

On 7/06/2011 9:39 a.m., Jolyon Smith wrote:
> My problem isn't "invalid" HTML - it is "perfectly valid HTML but which
> doesn't render the way you expect in browser X, Y Z or perm any N from M".
>
> Ditto Javascript which is perfectly valid but which doesn't work the way 
> you
> expect in browser X, Y, Z or perm any N from M.
>
> Or CSS which is perfectly valid but which doesn't work the way you expect 
> in
> browser X, Y, Z or perm any N from M.
>
> Or some combination of HTML, JavaScript or CSS which doesn't work in that
> particular combo in browser X, Y, Z or perm any N from M.
>
>
> I had thought that these issues might have been resolved at some point in
> the last 20 years, but sadly things really aren't much better today than
> they were then.  In some cases worse, because the tools techniques also
> assume that things have improved, when they haven't... lulling you into a
> false sense of security.


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