[DUG] Delphi Specials

[Todd]

I think what Jolyon is saying in a nutshell is that Embarcadero are 
missing out on a potentially large market by not providing a cut-down 
version for Pascal enthusiasts. A market which Borland captured in the 
past with Turbo Pascal.

Its like being forced to buy the combo deal at McDonalds, when all you 
really want is a hamburger. Rather annoying. So the response to that has 
been to go to Burger King.

I love metaphors.

Todd.
>
> My comments in a lovely purple. ;-)
>
> *From:* delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz 
> [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Jolyon Smith
> *Sent:* Friday, 22 October 2010 8:53 a.m.
> *To:* 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Delphi Specials
>
> Ø Aw nuts you are just being a stirrer.
>
> Why is pointing out facts considered stirring?
>
> You obviously have pretty strong feelings about it Jolyon but you 
> jumped on John pretty hard and if I was him I would certainly feel you 
> were being deliberately antagonistic. You didn’t just point out facts, 
> you had an axe to grind.
>
> Ø What I am saying is do not punish Borland and Embarcadero for making 
> a product that was reliable and well usable for 10+ years.   Reward 
> them by spending a small amount of money to keep them in business. And 
> into the bargain enjoy a much better version of Delphi.
>
> How about Embarcadero punishing their customers for not having 
> provided compelling reasons to upgrade?
>
> Aren’t they two sides of the same issue? Either 
> Embarcadero/Codegear/Borland haven’t added anything to Delphi since 
> version 5 OR version 5 was so good that you didn’t need any of the 
> things they added. You believe the former and refuse to accept that 
> perhaps part of the reason is that v5 was so good. I (and apparently 
> John) think you are wrong, sure some versions didn’t add anything much 
> I thought was useful but plenty of versions have added features that 
> are quite useful. But Delphi 5 was good enough that you could happily 
> ignore the useful new features and just stick with it (as we did until 
> very recently). Perhaps you could argue Embarcadero didn’t manage to 
> add any ‘everyone must have’ features but again that just comes back 
> to Delphi 5 having such a full feature set and being so functional.
>
> Delphi 4 (which Wallace has) was released in 1998! How many other 
> software products from 1998 can you still use reliably?
>
> I think Embarcadero limiting the upgrades could have been managed a 
> little better from a PR point of view but I can perfectly see why they 
> felt they had to do it.
>
> Ø I am grumpy about buying 8 versions of Windows mainly because I 
> couldn’t move the licences from PC to PC
>
> What?  I bought a Windows XP upgrade to the “Me” that came with a PC I 
> bought some years ago.  I have bought a number of PC’s – some 
> pre-built and some self assembled - since then but never had to buy 
> another copy of Windows, I just re-installed my existing XP license.
>
> I’m guessing you have never received an OEM version of Windows then? I 
> believe most copies of Windows sold are OEM which are locked (in 
> theory) to the computer they are sold with.
>
> And why do you feel so less inclined to reward Microsoft for making a 
> reliable, well usable product when doing so costs far, FAR less than 
> rewarding Borland (who produced a couple of REAL stinkers, products 
> that were neither reliable nor even barely usable, over the years)
>
> Sounds like John has purchased 8 copies of Windows, you don’t think 
> that is rewarding them?
>
> Borland blew it in a major way around Delphi 8/2005, no question about 
> that and I can understand punishing them for it. But at some point it 
> becomes cutting off your nose to spite your face... anyone who 
> develops seriously in Delphi needs Delphi to be a viable commercial 
> product and that means being willing to pony up for some money 
> occasionally in my opinion.
>
>
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