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I think what Jolyon is saying in a nutshell is that Embarcadero are
missing out on a potentially large market by not providing a cut-down
version for Pascal enthusiasts. A market which Borland captured in the
past with Turbo Pascal. <br>
<br>
Its like being forced to buy the combo deal at McDonalds, when all you
really want is a hamburger. Rather annoying. So the response to that
has been to go to Burger King. <br>
<br>
I love metaphors.<br>
<br>
Todd.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(95, 73, 122);">My
comments in a lovely purple. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jolyon Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 22 October 2010 8:53 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Delphi Specials<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span
style="">Ø<span
style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: black;">Aw
nuts
you are just being a stirrer.</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Why
is pointing out facts considered stirring?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(95, 73, 122);">You
obviously have pretty strong feelings about it Jolyon but
you jumped on John pretty hard and if I was him I would certainly feel
you were
being deliberately antagonistic. You didn’t just point out facts, you
had an
axe to grind.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span
style="">Ø<span
style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: black;">What
I am
saying is do not punish Borland and Embarcadero for making a product
that was
reliable and well usable for 10+ years. Reward them by spending a
small amount of money to keep them in business. And into the bargain
enjoy a
much better version of Delphi.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">How
about Embarcadero punishing their customers for not having
provided compelling reasons to upgrade?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(95, 73, 122);">Aren’t
they two sides of the same issue? Either
Embarcadero/Codegear/Borland haven’t added anything to Delphi since
version 5
OR version 5 was so good that you didn’t need any of the things they
added. You
believe the former and refuse to accept that perhaps part of the reason
is that
v5 was so good. I (and apparently John) think you are wrong, sure some
versions
didn’t add anything much I thought was useful but plenty of versions
have added
features that are quite useful. But Delphi 5 was good enough that you
could
happily ignore the useful new features and just stick with it (as we
did until
very recently). Perhaps you could argue Embarcadero didn’t manage to
add any ‘everyone
must have’ features but again that just comes back to Delphi 5 having
such a
full feature set and being so functional.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(95, 73, 122);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(95, 73, 122);">Delphi
4 (which Wallace has) was released in 1998! How many
other software products from 1998 can you still use reliably? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(95, 73, 122);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(95, 73, 122);">I
think Embarcadero limiting the upgrades could have been
managed a little better from a PR point of view but I can perfectly see
why
they felt they had to do it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 0cm;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span
style="">Ø<span
style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: black;">I
am
grumpy about buying 8 versions of Windows mainly because I couldn’t
move the
licences from PC to PC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">What?
I bought a Windows XP upgrade to the “Me” that came
with a PC I bought some years ago. I have bought a number of PC’s –
some
pre-built and some self assembled - since then but never had to buy
another
copy of Windows, I just re-installed my existing XP license.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(95, 73, 122);">I’m
guessing you have never received an OEM version of Windows
then? I believe most copies of Windows sold are OEM which are locked
(in
theory) to the computer they are sold with.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">And
why do you feel so less inclined to reward Microsoft for
making a reliable, well usable product when doing so costs far, FAR
less than
rewarding Borland (who produced a couple of REAL stinkers, products
that were
neither reliable nor even barely usable, over the years)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(95, 73, 122);">Sounds
like John has purchased 8 copies of Windows, you don’t think
that is rewarding them? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(95, 73, 122);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(95, 73, 122);">Borland
blew it in a major way around Delphi 8/2005, no question
about that and I can understand punishing them for it. But at some
point it
becomes cutting off your nose to spite your face... anyone who develops
seriously in Delphi needs Delphi to be a viable commercial product and
that means
being willing to pony up for some money occasionally in my opinion.</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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