[DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

[Paul A Norman]

Thanks for getting to the heart of the matter Jolyon,

"I may be wrong, but I think Paul was more concerned about a stated
intention made to him by Dev-Inc to take a matter up with Borland
on his behalf and then a complete lack of any sort of feedback from Dev-Inc
until what seemed to him to be a condescending comment about his current
situation."
Let others judges what is "rude" - being left with a deficient IDE and no
backup? Or ...

Paul
2009/9/16 Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz>

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>
> I may be wrong, but I think Paul was more concerned about a stated
> intention made to him by Dev-Inc to take a matter up with Borland on his
> behalf and then a complete lack of any sort of feedback from Dev-Inc until
> what seemed to him to be a condescending comment about his current
> situation.
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>
> But as for that $500-$600 price you quote ...  That’s a little disingenuous
> don’t you think?  Current pricing for Delphi 2010 Pro (Named User) is *
> $750* incl GST.  Or were you making an offer of a discount for DUG
> subscribers?  J
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> Remember that many community users are not GST registered.  In many cases
> we may work for companies that are, but when maintaining our *own*licenses we have to pay the full asking price and often we don’t have
> customers from whom to recoup the cost.
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>
> I’d also point out that the recent Delphi versions offer themselves up – or
> are offered up by CodeGear or others - for comparison with Visual Studio, in
> which endeavour they fail in one key respect... the lack of an entirely FREE
> edition.  (There isn’t even an entry level SKU comparable to “Standard”
> edition Visual Studio)
>
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> I’d like to prefix “current” to that word “lack”, but have no reason to do
> so at the moment.
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> *From:* delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz]
> *On Behalf Of *Richard Vowles
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 16 September 2009 19:16
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero
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> 2009/9/16 Paul A Norman <paul.a.norman at gmail.com>
>
> And I have heard nothing until Richard in this Forum smirked last night was
> I actually using 2005?
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> So is that the level of support and followup we can expect?
>
>
> That was quite rude Paul.
>
> Paul, I am not, and have never been the reason you continue to use Delphi
> 2005. I am also not responsible for the quality of Delphi 2005 and given
> most people downgraded back to Delphi 7, find it hugely surprising you
> continue to use Delphi 2005. IMHO, Borland was responsible for Delphi 2005,
> CodeGear and Embarcadero have apologised enough for this version and have
> spent considerable time, money and effort to make subsequent versions that
> they actually own and are responsible for the best quality releases we have
> seen in a long time. But they are a business and need to make money. It is
> time to move on. I pay for my development tools and continue to invest in
> them - they are part of what I do to make myself a better developer and
> produce code more effectively for my customers. Tools, like time, training
> and all other effort is something you invest in IMHO, and if you feel the
> time you spend with a less than effective tool is worth more than the cost
> of upgrading to a product owned by a completely different, there is little I
> feel the need to do about it.
>
> I'm afraid $500-600 every 18 months for a new version of a Delphi Pro which
> provides such incredible value would be the least of my decision making
> points. Given I could delay that under current upgrade policy for years and
> still pay the same amount for an even greater jump in productivity and
> capability makes the cost of the upgrade, in my opinion, a no brainer. I
> however, am a professional software developer.
>
> Richard
>
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