<div>Thanks for getting to the heart of the matter Jolyon,</div>
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<div>"I may be wrong, but I think Paul was more concerned about a stated intention made to him by Dev-Inc to take a matter up with Borland </div>
<div>on his behalf and then a complete lack of any sort of feedback from Dev-Inc until what seemed to him to be a condescending comment about his current situation."<br></div>
<div>Let others judges what is "rude" - being left with a deficient IDE and no backup? Or ...</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2009/9/16 Jolyon Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz">jsmith@deltics.co.nz</a>></span><br>
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<p><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I may be wrong, but I think Paul was more concerned about a stated intention made to him by Dev-Inc to take a matter up with Borland on his behalf and then a complete lack of any sort of feedback from Dev-Inc until what seemed to him to be a condescending comment about his current situation.</span></p>
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<p><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">But as for that $500-$600 price you quote ... That’s a little disingenuous don’t you think? Current pricing for Delphi 2010 Pro (Named User) is <b><u>$750</u></b> incl GST. Or were you making an offer of a discount for DUG subscribers? </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">J</span><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></span></p>
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<p><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Remember that many community users are not GST registered. In many cases we may work for companies that are, but when maintaining our <u>own</u> licenses we have to pay the full asking price and often we don’t have customers from whom to recoup the cost.</span></p>
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<p><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’d also point out that the recent Delphi versions offer themselves up – or are offered up by CodeGear or others - for comparison with Visual Studio, in which endeavour they fail in one key respect... the lack of an entirely FREE edition. (There isn’t even an entry level SKU comparable to “Standard” edition Visual Studio)</span></p>
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<p><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’d like to prefix “current” to that word “lack”, but have no reason to do so at the moment.</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Vowles<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 16 September 2009 19:16
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt">2009/9/16 Paul A Norman <<a href="mailto:paul.a.norman@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.a.norman@gmail.com</a>></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt">And I have heard nothing until Richard in this Forum smirked last night was I actually using 2005? </p>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><br>That was quite rude Paul.<br><br>Paul, I am not, and have never been the reason you continue to use Delphi 2005. I am also not responsible for the quality of Delphi 2005 and given most people downgraded back to Delphi 7, find it hugely surprising you continue to use Delphi 2005. IMHO, Borland was responsible for Delphi 2005, CodeGear and Embarcadero have apologised enough for this version and have spent considerable time, money and effort to make subsequent versions that they actually own and are responsible for the best quality releases we have seen in a long time. But they are a business and need to make money. It is time to move on. I pay for my development tools and continue to invest in them - they are part of what I do to make myself a better developer and produce code more effectively for my customers. Tools, like time, training and all other effort is something you invest in IMHO, and if you feel the time you spend with a less than effective tool is worth more than the cost of upgrading to a product owned by a completely different, there is little I feel the need to do about it.<br>
<br>I'm afraid $500-600 every 18 months for a new version of a Delphi Pro which provides such incredible value would be the least of my decision making points. Given I could delay that under current upgrade policy for years and still pay the same amount for an even greater jump in productivity and capability makes the cost of the upgrade, in my opinion, a no brainer. I however, am a professional software developer.<br>
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