[DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero
Jolyon Smith
jsmith at deltics.co.nz
Thu Sep 17 13:56:54 NZST 2009
.NET grew out of COM+ (what COM+ actually ended up being was but a shadow of
the original vision) at a time when Microsoft needed a Java killer (having
failed with their own JVM and J++), but I think it grew beyond the original
vision once Anders came on board.
Then again, iirc his first major project at MS was Visual J++, so he's not
*always* that smart. ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Alister Christie
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 1:46 p.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero
Are we talking about Anders Hejlsberg?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Hejlsberg
He's a pretty smart guy. I think he is the chief architect for C#
rather than .net
Alister Christie
Computers for People
Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
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Johnsonville
Wellington
Leigh Wanstead wrote:
> I don't understand why Delphi designer can move to Microsoft to be chief
of dot net. Can someone explain it?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz]
On Behalf Of David Brennan
> Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:40 p.m.
> To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
> Subject: Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero
>
> Quite a few employment agreements only specify that the employer reserves
> the right to claim any development the employee does in their own time
which
> 'falls within the employers sphere of interest' or some such, which I take
> to mean a related or competing product. And that seems fairly reasonable
as
> it implies the employee is taking advantage a bit (ie applying the exact
> knowledge they are learning at work to a similar home project for their
own
> benefit)
>
> David.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz]
On
> Behalf Of Todd Martin
> Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:12 p.m.
> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> Subject: Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero
>
> Hi Kyley
>
>
>> I have contracted in a firm before where there was a clear case of an
>> employee "holding back" at work and not exhibiting the full potential of
>> their skills and salary.. at the same time they discovered he was
>> developing applications different from work but for the same sector.. in
>> their mind these products should rightly have been introduced into the
>> companies product... Especially if you are employed as someone who is
>> supposed to guide the direction of the software.
>>
>
> You're talking about a situation where there is a direct conflict of
> interest. That is quite a bit different from an employer demanding
> ownership of any intellectual property you dream up or develop outside
> work hours.
>
>
>> .. if
>> they want to own everything I do during my employment then they can
>> double the salary or include a profit share system on any personal
>>
> designs.
>
> Agreed.
>
>
>> And lasty.. if you are using any company owned assets in the development
>> of personal gain then that is really not Kosha.. you should be using
>> your own licenses, computers etc etc..
>>
>
> Agreed.
>
>> I mean.. if you were a plumber.. and you didn't own a van or tools, but
>> they were provided by your company.. and after hours you went and did
>> plumbing using their van, their gas, their tools, and you pocketed the
>> cash do you really think that its a reasonable thing? Software is no
>> different.. give and take.
>>
>
> Todd.
>
>> Get used to it.
>>
>> As I stated, it is fairly common now (not always, please don't take
>> this as generalisation) that unless the application was already
>> defined, it belongs to the company. Companies are looking more to
>> the fact they employ you for your design and invention skills,
>> therefore they figure they own those skills and anything that comes
>> from it.
>>
>> Steve Peacocke
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Todd Martin <todd.martin.nz
>> <http://todd.martin.nz>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve
>>
>> That is an absolute outrage. Anyone worth their salt would never
>> sign
>> such a contract.
>>
>> Todd.
>>
>> >
>> > This is fairly common over here for programmers to have to
>> sign away all
>> > applications programmed at home.
>> >
>> > Steve Peacocke
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Leigh Wanstead
>> <leighw at softtech.co.nz <mailto:leighw at softtech.co.nz>
>> > <mailto:leighw at softtech.co.nz <mailto:leighw at softtech.co.nz>>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Steve,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I thought what you described is for the no knowledge
>> required job
>> > i.e. waiter etc. It happens in Delphi?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Have a nice day
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Leigh
>> >
>> > *From:* delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>> <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz>
>> > <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>> <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz>>
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>> > <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>> <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz>>] *On Behalf Of *Steve
>> Peacocke
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:03 a.m.
>> >
>> >
>> > *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>> > *Subject:* Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming
>> from Embarcadero
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > There have been several instances, very real over here,
>> where the
>> > employer can hire a new employee and legally keep them on
>> trial for
>> > up to a year, then simply fire them without explanation
>> and without
>> > any legal issues at all, rather than pay contract rates.
>> In one
>> > instance, the employer was able to fire people within
>> their 3 months
>> > and hire another employee from another agency, rather than
>> pay the
>> > agency fees.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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