[DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

[Kyley Harris]

There is a valid precendence to this.. Without saying who or when..
I have contracted in a firm before where there was a clear case of an
employee "holding back" at work and not exhibiting the full potential of
their skills and salary.. at the same time they discovered he was developing
applications different from work but for the same sector.. in their mind
these products should rightly have been introduced into the companies
product... Especially if you are employed as someone who is supposed to
guide the direction of the software.

I have also seen quite a few cases of employees who blatantly learns skills
on a job and then use them to make money on the side (again, through
contract roles)

However.. if you are a designer, and innovative person coming into a new
role with the behest that you are being hired for your skills and the value
that you are going to give the company then I see a very different
relationship being formed.. My mind is very simply on this matter.. if they
want to employmee for a 40 hour week at say $100k then fine.. if they want
to own everything I do during my employment then they can double the salary
or include a profit share system on any personal designs.

And lasty.. if you are using any company owned assets in the development of
personal gain then that is really not Kosha.. you should be using your own
licenses, computers etc etc..

I mean.. if you were a plumber.. and you didn't own a van or tools, but they
were provided by your company.. and after hours you went and did plumbing
using their van, their gas, their tools, and you pocketed the cash do you
really think that its a reasonable thing? Software is no different.. give
and take.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Steve Peacocke <steve at peacocke.net> wrote:

> Get used to it.
> As I stated, it is fairly common now (not always, please don't take this as
> generalisation) that unless the application was already defined, it belongs
> to the company. Companies are looking more to the fact they employ you for
> your design and invention skills, therefore they figure they own those
> skills and anything that comes from it.
>
> Steve Peacocke
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Todd Martin <todd.martin.nz at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Steve
>>
>> That is an absolute outrage. Anyone worth their salt would never sign
>> such a contract.
>>
>> Todd.
>>
>> >
>> > This is fairly common over here for programmers to have to sign away all
>> > applications programmed at home.
>> >
>> > Steve Peacocke
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Leigh Wanstead <leighw at softtech.co.nz
>> > <mailto:leighw at softtech.co.nz>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     Hi Steve,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     I thought what you described is for the no knowledge required job
>> >     i.e. waiter etc. It happens in Delphi?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     Have a nice day
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     Regards
>> >
>> >     Leigh
>> >
>> >     *From:* delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>> >     <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz>
>> >     [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>> >     <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz>] *On Behalf Of *Steve
>> Peacocke
>> >     *Sent:* Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:03 a.m.
>> >
>> >
>> >     *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>> >     *Subject:* Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from
>> Embarcadero
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     There have been several instances, very real over here, where the
>> >     employer can hire a new employee and legally keep them on trial for
>> >     up to a year, then simply fire them without explanation and without
>> >     any legal issues at all, rather than pay contract rates. In one
>> >     instance, the employer was able to fire people within their 3 months
>> >     and hire another employee from another agency, rather than pay the
>> >     agency fees.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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