[DUG] Unused copy of Delphi 7 Enterprise

Todd Martin toddm at kol.co.nz
Tue Sep 5 20:28:05 NZST 2006 

Hi Xander

You don't post often.
I have to agree, a non-transferable license seems ridiculous to me.

I know of a couple of NZ companies that have bought second hand copies of 
Delphi, in NZ and from overseas, and have been able to register them with 
Borland NZ without any problems after supplying a proof of purchase.

Todd.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Xander (GMail)" <xandervdm at gmail.com>
To: "'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'" <delphi at ns3.123.co.nz>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:23 PM
Subject: RE: [DUG] Unused copy of Delphi 7 Enterprise


>
> Remember the old Borland "No-nonsense License Statement" accompanying the
> old Turbo range of software:
>
> "...you must treat this software just like a book, with the following 
> single
> exception. Borland International authorizes you to make archival copies of
> the software for the sole purpose of backing up our software and 
> protecting
> your investment from loss.
>
> By saying just like a book, Borland means, for example, that this software
> may be used by any number of people and may be freely moved from one
> computer location to another, so long as there is no possibility of it 
> being
> used at one location while it's being used at another. Just like a book 
> that
> can't be read by two different people in two different places at the same
> time, neither can the software be used..."
>
> Unfortunately, nothing about reselling the software... but, if you treat 
> it
> "just like a book" (as they said) that surely meant that you could also 
> sell
> it (back then)?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz] 
> On
> Behalf Of Leigh Wanstead
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:16 PM
> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> Subject: RE: [DUG] Unused copy of Delphi 7 Enterprise
>
> We need a lawyer here. ;-)
>
> To be honest, I always click ok button without question. What else can I 
> do?
> Not using Delphi for my job? ;-)
>
> Regards
> Leigh
> www.smootharm.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz
> [mailto:delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz]On Behalf Of jamessugrue at xtra.co.nz
> Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 6:35 p.m.
> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> Subject: Re: [DUG] Unused copy of Delphi 7 Enterprise
>
>
> Yeah, thinking about it books are completely different. I guess the point
> with a book is you can't continue to use the book if you transfer the
> license so to speak.
>
>
> ---- Robert martin <rob at wildsoft.co.nz> wrote:
>> Hi James
>>
>> I take your point but....  Tell that to the second hand book / CD
>> stores.  Although CDs / DVDs are a tricky area.
>>
>>
>> Rob Martin
>> Software Engineer
>>
>> phone +64 03 377 0495
>> fax   +64 03 377 0496
>> web www.chreos.com
>>
>> Wild Software Ltd
>>
>>
>>
>> James Sugrue wrote:
>> > (Richard may correct, but this is the way I have always considered
> software)
>> >
>> > Think of it this way:
>> > When you pay the sticker price for the software, effectively you are
>> > creating an agreement between yourself and Borland that you will use
> this
>> > software that they have supplied, and they grant you the right to use
> said
>> > software. It's the same as buying a CD, Book etc. You don't own the
> content,
>> > just the right to use it.
>> >
>> > So with that logic in mind, how can you possibly sell it to a third
> party.
>> > You don't own the rights to the software, the contract was between you
> and
>> > Borland alone.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz 
>> > [mailto:delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz]
> On
>> > Behalf Of Robert martin
>> > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:26 PM
>> > To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>> > Subject: Re: [DUG] Unused copy of Delphi 7 Enterprise
>> >
>> > Hi Richard
>> >
>> > I think I am confused.  Are you saying that Job Bloggs who is no longer
>> > using their full / legally purchased version of Delphi cannot sell it 
>> > to
>
>> > someone else (on the proviso they have removed it from all computers
>> > they own) ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Rob Martin
>> > Software Engineer
>> >
>> > phone +64 03 377 0495
>> > fax   +64 03 377 0496
>> > web www.chreos.com
>> >
>> > Wild Software Ltd
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Richard Vowles wrote:
>> >
>> >> 1) Yes
>> >> 2) Yes
>> >> 3) Well, we do sell Delphi 8 but why would you want it?
>> >> 4) Not unless it is from a reseller who holds existing stock. And the
> only
>> >>
>> > one in NZ is Developers, Inc at the moment. And I have stock of it 
>> > under
> my
>> > chair so I can send it to you as soon as I see an order. Then you get
>> > BDS2006 AND Delphi 7.
>> >
>> >> 5) No, you can't upgrade from Personal - only Professional. Personal
> was
>> >>
>> > free :-)
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Richard
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >>
>> >> From: delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz on behalf of Nick Fauchelle
>> >> Sent: Mon 4/09/2006 12:36
>> >> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>> >> Subject: Re: [DUG] Unused copy of Delphi 7 Enterprise
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the reply Richard.
>> >> Just want to check on a few things
>> >>
>> >> 1 - If you buy a copy of Delphi (any version) you can install it on
> both
>> >> a desktop and laptop
>> >> 2 - Annie can sell Delphi (021499964)
>> >> 3 - To get an earlier version of Delphi, you must first buy the latest
>> >> version, then you can get the earlier version (free?)
>> >> 4 - There is no-way to legally buy version 7?
>> >> 5 - Many many moons ago, PC World did an article about Delphi and
>> >> included a full version on there cd (think it was Delphi 5 personal),
> if
>> >> I found one of the PC World cds that had Delphi on it, could I use 
>> >> that
>> >> old 5 Personal to then Buy a 7 Enterprise upgrade?
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks
>> >> Regards
>> >> Nick
>> >>
>> >> Richard Vowles wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> That is correct.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, you cannot purchase Delphi from anyone who is not an approved
>> >>> reseller - in New Zealand that is Developers, Inc (Annie on
> 021499964).
>> >>> We can supply old versions (even down to D5) but you purchase the
> latest
>> >>> version & we supply earlier versions (as well as the latest)
>> >>>
>> >>> Richard
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ---
>> >>> Richard Vowles, Product Evangelist, Developer Tools Group
>> >>> email: richard.vowles at borland.com
>> >>> phone: +64-9-3600-231
>> >>> cell: +64-21-467747
>> >>> other: MSN richard.vowles at borland.com, skype: rvowles
>> >>> blog: http://www.usergroup.org.nz/blogs/selectBlog.html?id=39769
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz
> [mailto:delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz]
>> >>> On Behalf Of James Sugrue
>> >>> Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 11:29 a.m.
>> >>> To: nick at unica.co.nz; 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
>> >>> Subject: RE: [DUG] Unused copy of Delphi 7 Enterprise
>> >>>
>> >>> Check the license for D7, but as far as I recall (in the olden days
>> >>> anyway), Borland used to have a common sense license, which basically
>> >>> said you can install anywhere as long as you only use one at a time.
>> >>> Also I'm pretty sure you can install the same copy on a desktop and 
>> >>> on
> a
>> >>> laptop.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong....
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz
> [mailto:delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz]
>> >>> On Behalf Of Nick Fauchelle
>> >>> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 10:52 AM
>> >>> To: Delphi at ns3.123.co.nz
>> >>> Subject: [DUG] Unused copy of Delphi 7 Enterprise
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi there,
>> >>>
>> >>> Just started a new job and need a copy of Delphi 7 Enterprise for
> work.
>> >>> I have a copy at home, and would like to have the same version at 
>> >>> work
> -
>> >>> does anyone out there have an copy of Delphi 7 that isn't being used
> any
>> >>> more (ie employee left etc etc). I am only interested in a copy that
>> >>> ISN'T being used, must come with the original cd and serial key.
>> >>>
>> >>> btw - is it legal to buy the original copy if it's not being used?
>> >>> Otherwise will have to get the latest version and update all my
>> >>> components :-/
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers
>> >>> Nick
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