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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz <delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul A. Norman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 5 July 2022 5:59 pm<br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List <delphi@listserver.123.net.nz>; Jeremy Coulter <jscoulter@gmail.com>; marshland@marshland.co.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Lazarus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Jeremy,<br>
<br>
>"I think I am just so used to Delphi and my one pet peeve with Lazarus is the location of the "Projects" menu. It feels out of place. Only a small thing :-)"<br>
<br>
You actually get the IDE's sources too, which is pretty neat :-)<br>
<br>
I'm pretty sure you might move the Projects Menu in the IDE source (or do anything else!) and just rebuild.<br>
Think about what you could do (or add) if you wanted to (and if you made a great improvement—choose to feed it back onto the community)!<br>
<br>
Already a lot of adaptability is built in out of the box . . . <br>
<br>
'Extending the IDE'<br>
<br>
<a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.freepascal.org%2FExtending_the_IDE&data=05%7C01%7Cdavid_m%40pegasushealth.mail.onmicrosoft.com%7C894f54f504ea4585489f08da5e4cabc0%7C3ee1ab78075342db8dab9bf1b07b2b1a%7C0%7C0%7C637925980657220635%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=wspaRW1uOpc%2BvhsADMvKr%2B03MMwfPWkSQg6tKy3Kvvg%3D&reserved=0">https://wiki.freepascal.org/Extending_the_IDE</a><br>
<br>
'IDE Window: Environment Options'<br>
<br>
<a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.lazarus.freepascal.org%2FIDE_Window%3A_Environment_Options&data=05%7C01%7Cdavid_m%40pegasushealth.mail.onmicrosoft.com%7C894f54f504ea4585489f08da5e4cabc0%7C3ee1ab78075342db8dab9bf1b07b2b1a%7C0%7C0%7C637925980657220635%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9KGR3jvCB4z2EJX3z9Eum6IWJhtMybi8%2FNIIbe%2BRJFY%3D&reserved=0">https://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/IDE_Window:_Environment_Options</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Here's something giving an overview, that may help with some of the questions being posted here at the moment ...<br>
<br>
'Lazarus For Delphi Users'<br>
<br>
<a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.freepascal.org%2FLazarus_For_Delphi_Users&data=05%7C01%7Cdavid_m%40pegasushealth.mail.onmicrosoft.com%7C894f54f504ea4585489f08da5e4cabc0%7C3ee1ab78075342db8dab9bf1b07b2b1a%7C0%7C0%7C637925980657220635%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=CQ5ANjo6W4BXbw7kFMQyFmKZmiqe0%2FRWqFnB7nxwQfs%3D&reserved=0">https://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_For_Delphi_Users</a><br>
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<br>
Official: <br>
'Welcome to the Free Pascal and Lazarus Wiki'<br>
<br>
<a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.lazarus.freepascal.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cdavid_m%40pegasushealth.mail.onmicrosoft.com%7C894f54f504ea4585489f08da5e4cabc0%7C3ee1ab78075342db8dab9bf1b07b2b1a%7C0%7C0%7C637925980657220635%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DFCDSfjNwD%2BlEcW8AghQo5dnIYjqH4awgd4WW0AnaaI%3D&reserved=0">https://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org</a><br>
<br>
<a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lazarus-ide.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cdavid_m%40pegasushealth.mail.onmicrosoft.com%7C894f54f504ea4585489f08da5e4cabc0%7C3ee1ab78075342db8dab9bf1b07b2b1a%7C0%7C0%7C637925980657220635%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lpDasM6Gbm8vojqvIPWfi8xY%2BieLeW8KanTNRdNJXBg%3D&reserved=0">https://www.lazarus-ide.org/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Wikipedia: <br>
Lazarus (software)<br>
<br>
"...<br>
Software developers use Lazarus to create native-code console and graphical user interface (GUI) applications for the desktop, and also for mobile devices, web applications, web services, visual components and function libraries for a number of different platforms,
including Mac, Linux and Windows.<br>
<br>
[Obviously with certain provisos . . . ]<br>
<br>
"A project created by using Lazarus on one platform can be compiled on any other one which Free Pascal compiler supports.
<br>
For desktop applications a single source can target Mac OS, Linux, and Windows, with little or no modification.
<br>
<br>
"An example is the Lazarus IDE itself, created from a single code base and available on all major platforms including the Raspberry Pi.<br>
..."<br>
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<a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLazarus_(software)&data=05%7C01%7Cdavid_m%40pegasushealth.mail.onmicrosoft.com%7C894f54f504ea4585489f08da5e4cabc0%7C3ee1ab78075342db8dab9bf1b07b2b1a%7C0%7C0%7C637925980657220635%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4rBKomHljmuZw446hl%2FL%2Fpa8kuKpDNIRwb3nj5eYzqU%3D&reserved=0">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_(software)</a><br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 July 2022 2:08:30 pm NZST, Jeremy Coulter <<a href="mailto:jscoulter@gmail.com">jscoulter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">A couple of years ago I made the mistake of installing Lazarus onto a Raspberry Pi 3 I think, maybe it was a 2 I cant remember exactly. OMG it was SOOO SLOOOWW :-) Then I realised you write the code on a windows
box and compile it on the Raspberry Pi :-D<br>
On that not, this is a really cool project <a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fultibo.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cdavid_m%40pegasushealth.mail.onmicrosoft.com%7C894f54f504ea4585489f08da5e4cabc0%7C3ee1ab78075342db8dab9bf1b07b2b1a%7C0%7C0%7C637925980657220635%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=QzxVforcA2ECSrkUXs%2B7BC9Oy0V2BuwD63j7TbJ9LOI%3D&reserved=0">https://ultibo.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have tried Lazarus a couple of times over the years and have tried to recreate current projects in Delphi in it, but there were constraints of controls. There are a few more companies supporting it in the component space now which is
good.<br>
I think I am just so used to Delphi and my one pet peeve with Lazarus is the location of the "Projects" menu. It feels out of place. Only a small thing :-)<br>
<br>
Jeremy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 12:35 PM Marshland Engineering <<a href="mailto:marshland@marshland.co.nz">marshland@marshland.co.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Paul<br>
<br>
Great reply. <br>
<br>
I started with bBase III many many moons ago. I gave up commercial programming<br>
in 1997. The headache with windows was just too much for me. Why must my<br>
customers pay for things not working when its just not their fault ? <br>
Recently, I had USB Dymo label printer that stopped working. I paid for MS<br>
support and 6 hours later, I got the option to reinstall my OS. HA - I did get<br>
a refund !!! A USB printer couldn't be fixed. <br>
<br>
On that line I tried to install the community edition to try and compile for<br>
Android. I could not even get the software to run and, as it is a community<br>
version, there is no support. <br>
<br>
I think if you have been in Delphi for years, you would probably upgrade as<br>
time when on, but starting from scratch, it is just too cumbersome and<br>
overwhelming to get going. I cant see anyone new joining and paying for<br>
Delphi. On the other hand, Lazarus just seems to work, and is neat and tidy.<br>
Dare to say, they 'stole' a lot from old Delphi IDE which make it easier to<br>
adapt. <br>
<br>
Delphi 6 still does everything I want. If they had to launch a 6 version<br>
today, they may get more new users. <br>
<br>
I am and engineer and not a software junkie so I do come from a different mind<br>
set. My stuff is all in house and not web based. <br>
<br>
Cheers Wallace<br>
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