<div dir="ltr">Completely off topic but...<br><br>I got a 1st Gen Surface RT when Microsoft sold off their tax write off stock. I picked up a 64GB model with touch typing cover for $273 (NZ) delivered! I got it just to play with/as a devtest rig, but quickly came to love it.<div><br></div><div>They were a huge missed opportunity ... for the market. Microsoft had a great product but the market (or rather the market commentators) didn't "get" it. Sure, you couldn't run all Windows desktop apps on them, but you can't run all Windows desktop apps on an Android tablet or iPad either. You can't even run OS X apps on an iPad. Not even an iPad Pro. So that argument clearly has nothing to do with the success/failure of these things. At least not for the users/consumers of those massively successful devices.</div><div><br></div><div>The apps that it did have were as good - and in some cases FAR better - than the same apps on the other platforms. And it did run Office. Worth pointing out is that those RT devices ran Windows 8 and latterly 8.1, not 10.</div><div><br></div><div>As good as the Surface Pro range may be (debatable), the one thing that the RT had over ANY of the competition was truly amazing battery life which none of the Pro's come even close to. That might sound like a non-feature, but it meant not being tethered to a charger or at least not having to panic if you couldn't see a charging opportunity at some point on the very near horizon.<br><br>Sure you can run all Windows desktop apps on those things, but all Windows desktop apps are not designed to run on a tablet so being able to do so is mostly an exercise in frustrated stabbing at the screen with a finger you are desperately trying to pinch to form an accurate pointing tip.</div><div><br></div><div>But it was mostly the tech press that saw the lack of Win32 support as a "problem" and using "number of app" in the store as a key metric rather than the quality or relevance of the apps that were available. And in writing the devices off on those points put people off from even giving them a fair crack.</div><div><br></div><div>They failed to SELL - they didn't sell but then get returned by masses of disappointed customers.<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 December 2016 at 18:58, John Bird <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkbird@paradise.net.nz" target="_blank">johnkbird@paradise.net.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>At first they came out in 2 flavours, full WIndows 10 version on
Intel type CPU.</div>
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<div>Also a “lite” cut down second model that ran only WIndows RT (on an ARM
processor I think). and had Windows 10 and Office cross compiled to
it, and only ran universal Apps from the Windows Store, of which there are not
so many. I get the impression this flavour died a natural
death, was probably too little demand for it, with iPads and
Chromebooks in the same space.</div>
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<div>The Surface Pro (full versions) have always had pretty good press.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="jscoulter@gmail.com">Jeremy
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 13, 2016 8:36 AM</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I just asked what version of the Surface it is.....turne out its a
Surface BOOK and these have just come out and will be fine. They are basically a
laptop....agh.....Thanks anyway.
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<div>Jeremy</div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Robo <span dir="ltr"><<a>robo555@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><a href="https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2858199" target="_blank">https://support.microsoft.com/<wbr>en-us/kb/2858199</a><br><br></div>Recent
Windows Surface uses Intel x64 and regular Windows. It can run most software
designed for regular Windows. I say the best option now would be to test
it.<br><br></div>Robo<br></div>
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<div class="m_4289188287809189775h5">On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Jeremy Coulter <span dir="ltr"><<a>jscoulter@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi all.
<div>Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with Windows Surface's
and if you can run native Win32 App's on them, i.e. Delphi app's.</div>
<div>I have a customer who uses Mac's and I told them to get Parallels and a
Windows 10 Lic, which works fine, and he told me he purchased a Windows
Surface! so I need to find out the above so if need be he can take it
back....agh.....</div>
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<div>Thanks, Jeremy</div></div>
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