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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Leigh,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>>To use <a href="http://asp.net">asp.net</a> mvc involves a cost which requires a windows server and iis. Windows server cost license fee.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Plenty of hosting providers that offer asp.net support …. Godaddy does it for $3.99 USD a month </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="https://sg.godaddy.com/hosting/windows-hosting">https://sg.godaddy.com/hosting/windows-hosting</a> <span style='color:#1F497D'>… and even my favorite </span><a href="http://www.discountasp.net">http://www.discountasp.net</a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'>only costs $10 USD a month (you get what you pay). In my opinion especially if you do a commercial project then the cost of hosting nowadays is peanuts (by the time you outgrow shared and move to dedicated it’s still only a tiny part of your opex). It’s true that you can find cheaper linux hosting, but then in my opinion the whole development cycle and costs to create and maintain a complex datadriven website is just hands down easier to do in ASP.Net (due to framework and the fact that c# is a strong typed language) than PHP. I guess the real question is how complex is John’s website? Maybe PHP will do .. maybe ASP.Net is better, hard to tell without knowing exactly what he is up to. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>>You suggested to jump the ship from delphi to c#<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t know of many developers that actually run Delphi on Linux .. so most likely you still need a window server, one that supports ISAPI for IntraWeb .. your choices of hosting providers will be severely limited. Plus not to mention the costs of finding people that can actually maintain this later on .. I’ve done a few projects and learnt quite a bit from them: picking the right framework and tech is important to long term success .. you don’t want to end up in a situation where a few years later on you will have to rewrite your whole app and write off months of wasted development time just because you went down the wrong road and are stuck now with its shortcomings that slow you down and a tiny community that makes it hard to get support and questions answered.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>>It is very slow to use <a href="http://asp.net">asp.net</a> mvc using amazon aws free server. It is very fast to do ubuntu linux on amazon aws ec2 free server to do web hosting. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There are plenty of benchmarks that prove that asp.net mvc is a lot faster than php (<a href="http://www.miyconst.com/Blog/View/1049/asp-net-mvc-vs-php-yii-performance-comparison">http://www.miyconst.com/Blog/View/1049/asp-net-mvc-vs-php-yii-performance-comparison</a> is interesting to read, not just because of the benchmark). AWS free isn’t really free – it’s just a one year “starter” offer that is intended for developers to try out AWS features – it is not for production servers. Sorry, no offense, but I start getting the feeling you are Scottish – not to say being frugal is a bad thing (not at all) ;-) ! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Kind regards,<br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Stefan Müller</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>,<br>R&D Manager</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:white;background:red'>ORCL</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Toolbox Ltd.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Auckland, New Zealand</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#777777'><br>P</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#777777'> Please consider the environment before printing this email<br><br>This message is intended for the adresse named above and may contain privileged or confidential information.<br>If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Leigh Wanstead<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 1 August 2016 4:56 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Multi client website<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Stefan,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You suggested to jump the ship from delphi to c#.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you really want to do that, I think that you need to consider following issue.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>To use <a href="http://asp.net">asp.net</a> mvc involves a cost which requires a windows server and iis. Windows server cost license fee.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you do it in linux, you can save the license fee of windows to buy some really nice stuff. :-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It is very slow to use <a href="http://asp.net">asp.net</a> mvc using amazon aws free server. It is very fast to do ubuntu linux on amazon aws ec2 free server to do web hosting. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Leigh<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 31 July 2016 at 18:49, Stefan Mueller <<a href="mailto:muellers@orcl-toolbox.com" target="_blank">muellers@orcl-toolbox.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Couple of thoughts:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'>Don’t use Delphi for that, use ASP.Net MVC ... if you do web then using a proper web development tool makes things a lot easier. Delphi IntraWeb is probably ok if you need to cobble together a simple page and only know Delphi .. but other than that it’s a dead-end. The ASP.Net community is thriving with new exciting development and support available there. I am very fond of ASP.Net MVC, it does a lot of things right and is easy to learn coming from Delphi.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'>ASP.Net MVC routing & controllers architecture lets you seamlessly merge custom client pages with your “common” pages. You also get a lot of security already out of the box with that framework and handled for you (mentioning Cross-site scripting & Cross-site request forgery here) as well as client side forms validations. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'>DNS supports wildcard matching for a non-existing domain .. you can create a DNS record like “*.<a href="http://mydomain.co.nz" target="_blank">mydomain.co.nz</a>” to point all to the same endpoint</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'>On that endpoint you then can check the name of the domain requested and use that one to point to the right locations for your css/images (could even check if any for those customized files exists and if not serve your default files). </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'>Cookies are a client side thing, what you really need is a server side solution to know what content to serve. Cookies can’t handle things such as website users that link to a common page first without having visited the client page first … and obviously website users wanting to watch 2 different of your clients websites also wouldn’t work because a cookie can only point to one client at a time … and then there are users (including google/bing/yahoo-bots that index your pages) that have cookies disabled.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Stefan Müller</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>,<br>R&D Manager</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:white;background:red'>ORCL</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Toolbox Ltd.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Auckland, New Zealand</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#777777'><br>P</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#777777'> Please consider the environment before printing this email<br><br>This message is intended for the adresse named above and may contain privileged or confidential information.<br>If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John C<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 31 July 2016 1:42 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'<br><b>Subject:</b> [DUG] Multi client website</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi all</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I have a website what will be available to the public but specific for more than one clients. The frame work of the website will be the same for each client but their images and CSS file will be different (making it look differently).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The plan is to have a sub-domain for each client from where it will jump to the "common" pages on the main domain. The index file on each sub.domain identifies the client and therefore define the directory path to use for the images and the CSS file.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I was thinking of doing this with cookies for the paths to be used in the main program, but I'm not sure it would be a good plan and if that will work properly (setting a cookie from within a sub.domain to be used in the main domain).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Any ideas or suggestions of how to do this?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks a lot in advance</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>John C</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<br>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a><br>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi" target="_blank">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><br>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@listserver.123.net.nz">delphi-request@listserver.123.net.nz</a> with Subject: unsubscribe<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>