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<DIV>Lets hear some Delphi Android benchmarks and file sizes (I understand
they are not so small)</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=leigh.wanstead@gmail.com
href="mailto:leigh.wanstead@gmail.com">Leigh Wanstead</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:57 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DUG] EMBARCADERO MY GRIPE</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi Jolyon,
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<DIV>It seems that we are going through the benchmark way :-)</DIV>
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<DIV>I tried to run the app in the url you mentioned and it crashed. </DIV>
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<DIV>How about you look at this url? <A
href="http://magenic.com/Blog/Post/4/Mobile-Development-Platform-Performance">http://magenic.com/Blog/Post/4/Mobile-Development-Platform-Performance</A></DIV>
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<DIV>My work is getting data from server which is similar to test 3.</DIV>
<DIV>java version shows 2.369s and xamarin version shows 1.738s in that url.
That is around half seconds difference.</DIV>
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<DIV>I sometimes got around less than 70ms round trip time in my own test to get
data from server in sydney, Australian in north shore, Auckland, nz if the
server is not busy. That is amazing fast using Xamarin android. </DIV>
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<DIV>Most customers are in Australia. I guess that they might get around 50ms
round trip time.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Leigh</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 29 July 2015 at 14:42, Jolyon Smith <SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr>... and if only I had a million dollars I would be rich.
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<DIV><BR>As for Xamarin performance, consider the source. By which I
don't mean the code, I mean who is making what claims.<BR><BR><A
href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17134522/does-anyone-have-benchmarks-code-results-comparing-performance-of-android-ap"
target=_blank>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17134522/does-anyone-have-benchmarks-code-results-comparing-performance-of-android-ap</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Any advantage is only seen in an Intel Android VM. On ARM (by far
the most prevalent in terms of actual Android hardware), Dalvik beat Xamarin
almost every time, until Xamarin.Android 4.7.11.<BR><BR>What is odd about this
is that these results are from 2013, over a year after Xamarin posted their
claims about <B><U>astonishingly</U></B> superior performance vs Dalvik.
It is interesting that Xamarin do not disclose what environment their
benchmarks were run in. Also interesting that they do not compare
themselves to ART which is the more relevant comparison going
forward.<BR><BR>In any event, I don't think there is any chance that Google
will drop ART any time soon (they already dropped Dalvik) in favour of a Mono
based implementation of Android. ;)<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 29 July 2015 at 13:51, Leigh Wanstead <SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi Jolyon,
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<DIV>I mentioned to you before in the thread. If google choose to use mono
framework in android, xamarin apk size can reach several kb too. The reason
for me to use Xamarin is the app developed by Xamarin using mono framework
is faster than dalvik before ART time. The load time for the app is not my
main concern. I care about the speed running the app for whole lifecycle.
Here is the url <A href="https://blog.xamarin.com/android-in-c-sharp/"
target=_blank>https://blog.xamarin.com/android-in-c-sharp/</A></DIV>
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<DIV>Regards</DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#888888>
<DIV>Leigh</DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote><SPAN>On 29 July 2015 at 13:40, Jolyon Smith <SPAN
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target=_blank>jsmith@deltics.co.nz</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR></SPAN>
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<DIV dir=ltr>What a fabulous attitude. It's thanks to that sort of
thinking that we now "need" machines with quad core 2.5GHz processors and
8GB of RAM just to run frikkin MS
Word.</DIV><BR></SPAN><SPAN>_______________________________________________<BR>NZ
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