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<div>In one review I read it was noted that this is a NO-OP on everything except iOS. On all other platforms you still get the doppelganger FireMonkey controls, even if you have configured for "native".<br>
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<div>Well I was excited until I read this, really, still the same old crappy controls for OSX, oh well another update I won’t bother with?</div>
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<div>This is meaningless unless there is also a money-where-your-mouth-is commitment to <u><b>provide</b></u> updates and hotfixes for versions other than the current one.<br>
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When was the last time EMBT released more than a token update or hotfix for anything other than the current version ? Is their any commitment to do better in this regards in the future ?</div>
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<div>Fully agree with you here Jolyon, sounds to me like lets ensure people pay even more for a bug ridden release, in the hope that bugs get fixed…. Which never do.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Jolyon Smith <<a href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz">jsmith@deltics.co.nz</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List <<a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, 13 April 2015 2:56 pm<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List <<a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a>><br>
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<div>Well I was excited until I read this, really, still the same old crappy controls for OSX, oh well another update I won’t bother with</div>
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<div>This is meaningless unless there is also a money-where-your-mouth-is commitment to
<u><b>provide</b></u> updates and hotfixes for versions other than the current one.<br>
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When was the last time EMBT released more than a token update or hotfix for anything other than the current version ? Is their any commitment to do better in this regards in the future ?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Does DUnitX have a GUI Runner yet ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We evaluated it last year and at that stage it did not.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Removing reliance on OpenSSL may be a good thing
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bird<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 13 April 2015 2:18 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DUG] XE8<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Installed Delphi XE8 over the weekend – main things I noticed are<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">DUnitX replaces DUnit (now deprecated as not updated for a good while)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"><a href="http://www.delphifeeds.com/postings/108188-introducing_dunitx_-_a_unit_test_framework_for_delphi" target="_blank">http://www.delphifeeds.com/postings/108188-introducing_dunitx_-_a_unit_test_framework_for_delphi</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Installer still takes a while but quite a lot seems faster<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Native mobile controls OSX iOS Android for many controls (eg DateTime picker)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">SQLite, InterBase ToGo and IBLite</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Updates and hot fixes for the current major release
<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On-going Maintenance - Updates and hot fixes for up to two (2) years and three (3) major releases
<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Early Beta access to hot fixes, updates, and upcoming releases
<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">All major upgrades (i.e. XE7 to XE8)
<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Three (3) annual developer support incidents
<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Exclusive bonus features, add-ons, and technical content
<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Annually renewable at a fraction of a single upgrade cost (*)<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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