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<DIV>I don’t have any ProcessMessages in there! Actually the Program does
a very ordered and stable startup, and has to run in sequence so moving the
calculations to thread won’t actually gain me anything other than having
it responsive to Minimise/maximise. That may be enough reason to do it if
is an issue.</DIV>
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<DIV>Aside – the SW_SHOWNOACTIVE had another oddity to it – the Program B
started fine, Program A kept focus, but the window for Program B came up in
front of Program A which is just a nuisance. I guess its related in
part to the the occasional bugs in Z order that MS never have sorted, where a
new form (even modal) will appear sometimes behind the launching form.
Still there Windows 7/8.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jsmith@deltics.co.nz
href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz">Jolyon Smith</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 25, 2014 1:19 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=delphi@listserver.123.net.nz
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<DIV>It shouldn't be puzzling. It is not the fact that the form is
starting minimized, but the fact that Application.Run varies it's behaviour for
the SW_SHOWMINNOACTIVE value CmdShow, a variation which does not occur for
SW_MINIMIZED.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>But NOOOOOoooooo - do NOT add calls to ProcessMessages().
Do not add ANY calls to ProcessMessages(). And remove any you already have
!!! :)<BR><BR>ProcessMessages() calls make your application UI code re-entrant
in highly unpredictable ways that can have you forever trying to find
Heisenbugs, especially in a case like this where a user is likely to click on
your launched app icon to see if it has "woken up" yet.<BR><BR>Do blocking work
on a background thread, allow the UI to continue to respond on the main thread,
and provide whatever feedback to the UI relating to the progress of the
background thread via properly marshalled, thread safe
mechanisms.<BR><BR><BR>You will get more sleep that way. :)<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 25 July 2014 12:43, John Bird <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:johnkbird@paradise.net.nz"
target=_blank>johnkbird@paradise.net.nz</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>It looks like the code in D2007 Application.Run is the later
one. I would like to solve this at some stage out of curiosity so
will return. The SW_SHOWMINIMIZED works as expected which is a
puzzle. Usual story however, this is not on the list of urgent things to
get working so it has to be put aside for now. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Its a good point you make about where to put startup code – my rule of
thumb has generally been initialising non component stuff can be done in the
form create, but I tend to put anything initialising component stuff on the
form show event, and this is where much of it is – there is a bit of setting
things visible or not depending on what properties are set and I don’t think
this can generally be done before the Show event. This Program B
does this general initialisation and then starts a timer which then fires of
the rest of the startup code which is long running. Some of the
long running code takes 20-40 seconds to run (calculations) and it doesn’t
respond to minimising/maximising while that is happening which is another
minor issue – I may need to put some extra processmessages calls in there
eventually.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This relates to a previous question – the long running calculation sets
up some quite large arrays and I tried saving/reading them in from disk to
bypass the calculations but it produced a stack overflow. I am presuming that
this is not from the code, as Russell’s code to save and load arrays to disk
ran standalone, but due to the program using a larger amount of memory.
Another investigation for later on the list of priorities!</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=jsmith@deltics.co.nz
href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz" target=_blank>Jolyon Smith</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 25, 2014 7:49 AM</DIV>
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<DIV class=h5>If the other Delphi application isn't correctly responding to
<B>SW_SHOWMINNOACTIVE</B> then the problem is in the <B>TApplicaiton</B> code
of the version of Delphi involved. The fact that your FormShow event
isn't firing suggests that it's an older version of Delphi involved, since an
inspection of the <B>TApplication.Run</B> method reveals how this behaviour
(or lack of) would eventuate.... <BR><BR>
<DIV> case CmdShow of</DIV>
<DIV><B> SW_SHOWMINNOACTIVE:
FMainForm.FWindowState := wsMinimized;</B></DIV>
<DIV> SW_SHOWMAXIMIZED:
MainForm.WindowState := wsMaximized;</DIV>
<DIV> end;</DIV>
<DIV> if FShowMainForm then</DIV>
<DIV><B> if FMainForm.FWindowState =
wsMinimized then</B></DIV>
<DIV><B> Minimize
else</B></DIV>
<DIV> FMainForm.Visible
:= True;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The internal state is forced to <B>wsMinimize, </B>bypassing normal
property setters, resulting in the "show" code simply calling the
<B>Minimize</B> method on the main form, rather than making the form visible,
which is why the FormShow even isn't fired. The form isn't shown!
i.e. the <B>FormShow</B> event will eventually fire only when the user first
activates the application and the window becomes shown. You could argue
that this is desirable behaviour, but doesn't suit your purposes in this
case.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This was changed in later versions of Delphi. The above code is
from D7. The version below from XE4 (the only 2 versions I have
available on this system):</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> case CmdShow of</DIV>
<DIV><B>
SW_SHOWMINNOACTIVE:</B></DIV>
<DIV><B> begin</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>
FInitialMainFormState := wsMinimized;</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>
FMainForm.FWindowState := wsMinimized;</B></DIV>
<DIV><B> end;</B></DIV>
<DIV> SW_SHOWMAXIMIZED:
MainForm.WindowState := wsMaximized;</DIV>
<DIV> end;</DIV>
<DIV> if FShowMainForm then</DIV>
<DIV><B> if (FMainForm.FWindowState
= wsMinimized) or (FInitialMainFormState = wsMinimized) then</B></DIV>
<DIV><B> begin</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>
Minimize;</B></DIV>
<DIV><B> if
(FInitialMainFormState = wsMinimized) then</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>
FMainForm.Show;</B></DIV>
<DIV> end else</DIV>
<DIV> FMainForm.Visible
:= True;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now it appears that the <B>Show</B> method of your main form should be
called, though I haven't tested to see whether this is actually the
case. But in theory, <B>SW_SHOWMINNOACTIVE</B> should work for you if
you upgrade the target EXE to a more current version of Delphi.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Alternatively, you could move the initialisation code in that EXE,
currently triggered by the FormShow event, to a more appropriate
initialisation event. After all, this is initialisation that needs to be
performed regardless of whether the form is <B>Show'</B>n or not.
;)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It's possible that some of that code cannot be performed in
<B>FormCreate</B>, which is a quite common reason to use <B>FormShow</B>
instead. If that's the case, then one possible solution is to
<B>post</B> a custom message to yourself in <B>FormCreate</B>, to fabricate
the create-deferred event you need, without relying on the form being shown to
generate the <B>FormShow</B> event:<BR><BR><BR>const</DIV>
<DIV> MM_INITIALISE = WM_USER + 1;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>TMyForm = class(TForm)</DIV>
<DIV> ...</DIV>
<DIV> procedure MMInitialise(var aMessage: TMessage); message
MM_INITIALISE;</DIV>
<DIV>end;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>TMyForm.FormOnCreate...<BR></DIV>
<DIV>begin</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> PostMessage(Handle, MM_INITIALISE, 0, 0);<BR>
....</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=h5>
<DIV>end;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>procedure TMyForm.MMInitialise(var aMessage: TMessage); </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>begin</DIV>
<DIV> // Do initialisation here...</DIV>
<DIV>end;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Good luck</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_extra><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 25 July 2014 00:22, John Bird <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:johnkbird@paradise.net.nz"
target=_blank>johnkbird@paradise.net.nz</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Hey that should have been perfect, as I already was doing
SW_SHOWMINIMIZED which works fine, and so does SW_SHOWNOACTIVE which
also does what it should – start the other window but not change
focus.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However SW_SHOWMINNOACTIVE doesn’t work. Now the other
program is a Delphi program of mine that does some initialisation in the
Formshow event (turning on timers etc) and I am wondering if somehow the
event doesn’t fire. The process starts, but nothing runs, looks asleep
in Task Manager. Not worth messing around with, as its a minor issue.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>I toyed with using SW_SHOWINACTIVE and getting the program (Program B)
to minimise itself on start, but that is just damned complicated and
fiddly/fragile. It also seems prone to ending up with 2 icons on the
task bar, as though multiple copies have started even if only one is running
– (maybe due to the large amount of work it does on startup – it is
unresponsive for a good while) .</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I also tried Russells suggestion about setting the
foreground window and it don’t work for me (Windows 8.1)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What I did in the end was go back to the SW_SHOWMINIMIZED and then
after the ShellExecute (in Program A) I put a ShowMessage saying I had
started the other program. Because this gives a modal clue that
they have to click on to continue it will do the job of setting the focus
back. And its a bit useful for them to be informed it has been
started.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=jsmith@deltics.co.nz
href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz" target=_blank>Jolyon Smith</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=russell@belding.co.nz
href="mailto:russell@belding.co.nz" target=_blank>Russell Belding</A> ; <A
title=delphi@listserver.123.net.nz
href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz" target=_blank>NZ Borland
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DUG] Shellexecute question</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Have you tried passing <STRONG
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI','Lucida Grande',verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(42,42,42); LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">SW_SHOWMINNOACTIVE
instead of SW_MINIMIZED ?</STRONG>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI','Lucida Grande',verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(42,42,42); LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI','Lucida Grande',verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(42,42,42); LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">Caveat:
The show flag parameter is merely passed to the application being
executed. What it chooses to do with that flag is it's own affair, but
if you're lucky, it will respect your wishes. If not, then you will
have to engage in a focus window arms race/lotto as already suggested.
But Route #1 would be to try the officially mandated mechanisms.<BR><BR>Good
luck. :)</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 24 July 2014 19:46, russell <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:russell@belding.co.nz"
target=_blank>russell@belding.co.nz</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Tyr
this after spawning the other program.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>SetForegroundWindow(forms.application.mainWindow.handle)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>To
give the main window of your program focus.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Perhaps
modifications of this will take you to the window of the calling program
where you want the focus?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Russell<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: windowtext'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US
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<A href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz"
target=_blank>delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz"
target=_blank>delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>John Bird<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 24 July 2014 4:43
p.m.<BR><B>To:</B> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [DUG] Shellexecute
question<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I have a
program (Program A) that fires up another (program B) via
ShellExecute, if its not already running. However even though
Program B is started minimised, focus shifts away from Program A, which is
a minor nuisance.</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Is there any
way to stop this within Delphi? Or will I have to do something like
delve into the Windows API?</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>if
ShellExecute(Application.Mainform.Handle, 'open', Pchar(aProgName),
PChar(aparaml), PChar(aDir), SW_SHOWMINIMIZED) <= 32
then<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'> ShowMessage('Start
Minimised error:')<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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