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<DIV>You have indeed side stepped the original question – maybe that is an
essential programmers skill!</DIV>
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<DIV>I read recently that at Google they have tended to move away from the
flashy problem solving interview questions (such as “how would you find how many
beach balls it takes to fill a soccer stadium?”) to investigating peoples
work history – that is the old thing of genius being 10% inspiration and 90%
perspiration – that is some of the talented people have lazy work habits and
drive and some diligent and focussed people will out-perform them with less
skill. Craig Neville-Manning from Google gave a lecture at the
University of Canterbury a couple of years back (largely on how to develop an IT
hub around a university like that around Stanford which produced HP, Apple,
Google and Silicon Valley and what they are doing in NY with the Google office
occupying a whole block). Google gets approached all the time with
ideas for the “next great thing” and he said what interested Google was to look
at products already thriving in their market – ie the practice and not the
theory.</DIV>
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<DIV>Are you meaning that - what you said about revealing peoples thought
process in an interview illustrates it is not specific check boxes but again
something more intangible or qualitative or human quality that is the sought
after quality? Along with the required technical proficiency of
course.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Specifics on what you said:</DIV>
<UL>
<LI>Debugging on paper – now that takes me back! my first programming
job had just that – there were more programmers than screens and that’s what
we had to do. Useful to be able to do, and to be grateful you don’t have
to do it for day to day work.
<LI>Exception handling – is this also an area where opinions vary?
For instance I read that the NASA Shuttle programming team had to produce code
so reliable that it never threw exceptions, and the production version had all
exception handling turned off. (This being my side step)
<LI>Any more examples of the sorts of questions you ask?
<LI>The original question – what is the difference between people who think
they are good and those who are good? Is there an answer? or is there an
answer only for a particular workplace and job?
<LI>Right back to the original question specifically – is there a
shortage for essential Delphi skills in NZ compared to Oz and
Switzerland? What is lacking – training/size of talent
pool/non-intellectual focussed culture/lack of or quality of IT industry
training/Delphi community being less lively etc?</LI></UL>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jeremy.north@gmail.com
href="mailto:jeremy.north@gmail.com">Jeremy North</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 3, 2014 1:02 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=delphi@listserver.123.net.nz
href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz">NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Giving specifics is hard because it would depend on the work you
want them to do but also the level you are hiring for.
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We basically have zero interest in someones ability to write SQL because we
don't have to write SQL at all. While it is a handy skill to have.</DIV>
<DIV>We hope they have exposure to unit testing and know and understand the
difference between unit and integration testing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We look for people that can hold a discussion on system / class design. We
discuss code separation. I have a list of 20 verbal questions that I ask during
an interview. I don't ask all 20, many questions rely on previous responses
(being correct). I've been in interviews where I've asked just the first couple
and had to stop (some are really basic that every developer should know). The
questions vary in skill required and we like to hear the answers but we also
like to see they they react and their mannerisms when responding. We do ask
questions that are very hard and we don't do it to big note ourselves but to see
how the person copes with not knowing the answer or the thought process they go
through while thinking about it. If they know the answer - that's great as well.
Some questions (aim to) lead into further discussions about previous job
experiences and the like - we like it when this occurs.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>After the discussion portion which is generally 30 - 60 mins, they get a
written test which we allow 60 mins for. This is just to prove they not only
know all the right answers, but can use and implement the things we have
discussed previously.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The test has specific skills we'd like the person to have and some skills
that we'd like them to have. The test is written - we want to know what they
know (not what Bob in the UK knows to be the answer!).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We recently interviewed for a FireMonkey position and gave them a PC and a
sample project to maintain.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>One question that should be on everyone's interview list is exception
handling. The number of developers that don't know how to use it is a worry. One
of the questions involves "debugging on paper". Following the flow of a method
when it has different outcomes and outputting the correct method result for
different inputs.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We have no issues with wrong answers, it is mostly how they reach the
answer. The thought process.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The biggest issue when conducting interviews is making the person
comfortable. They will be at their best when they are comfortable and at the end
of the day that is what I want. The less interviews I have to do, the
better!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think I've successfully side stepped the response you were hoping to get
:-)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:20 AM, John Bird <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:johnkbird@paradise.net.nz"
target=_blank>johnkbird@paradise.net.nz</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>OK that begs a further discussion!</DIV>
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<DIV>What in your eyes makes a developer “good” as opposed to thinking they
are good – specific qualities please of what the good qualities are. I
am wondering if there are many opinions of what a “good” programmer is which
might explain why some think they are good whilst others think they are
not. What are the more objective measures?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have worked on numerous projects the last few years and seen a lot of
different talents. Some that stick out in my experience are:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<UL>
<LI>Technical proficiency – ie knowing already what is likely to be the best
technology to use to tackle a new problem
<LI>OO depth. Is it innate or learned? How is it
best learned?
<LI>Ability to mentor and guide others through existing code</LI></UL>
<DIV>Curious to hear specifics from you as you have the reputation of a Delphi
authority!</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=jeremy.north@gmail.com
href="mailto:jeremy.north@gmail.com" target=_blank>Jeremy North</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:23 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in
Wellington</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>I know here (Australia) we would happily pay decent salaries if
we found Delphi developers that were actually good and didn't just *think*
they were good.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Mueller <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:muellers@orcl-toolbox.com"
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>As
a Swiss Delphi Developer living in New Zealand I find that interesting.
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Switzerland
isn’t exactly at the top of my mind when I think about the “value for bucks”
for outsourcing work to – not because you don’t get the quality, but because
salaries there are almost twice what you would have to pay
here.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Kind
regards,<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Stefan
Müller</SPAN></B><SPAN
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Manager</SPAN><SPAN
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<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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New Zealand</SPAN><SPAN
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style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <A
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz"
target=_blank>delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz"
target=_blank>delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Tony Blomfield<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 3 July 2014 9:29
a.m.<BR><B>To:</B> 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi
List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in
Wellington<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-NZ
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Gary.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-NZ
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-NZ
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>If
you would like to send the details to me I will have a chat with
them.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-NZ
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-NZ
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Unfortunately
we have had such a bad run with Kiwi Developers we moved our R&D over to
Switzerland last year where we get much more cost effective
results.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-NZ
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-NZ
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Anyway,
I’d like to assess the person myself to see if they are
suitable.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-NZ
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-NZ
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Tony
Blomfield<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz"
target=_blank>delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</A> [<A
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz"
target=_blank>mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</A>] <B>On Behalf
Of </B>Gary T. Benner<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 2 July 2014 2:32
p.m.<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz"
target=_blank>delphi@delphi.org.nz</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [DUG] Work Wanted
in Wellington<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-NZ><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-NZ style='FONT-FAMILY: "MS Sans Serif"'>HI
All,</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-NZ> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-NZ style='FONT-FAMILY: "MS Sans Serif"'>This just passed in
if anyone can help:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-NZ> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><B><SPAN lang=EN-NZ style='FONT-FAMILY: "MS Sans Serif"'>Permanent
Developer available in Wellington.</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN-NZ>
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><B><SPAN lang=EN-NZ style='FONT-FAMILY: "MS Sans Serif"'>Experienced
Senior Delphi Developer looking for a permanent role in or around
Wellington. </SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN-NZ><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><B><SPAN lang=EN-NZ style='FONT-FAMILY: "MS Sans Serif"'>Open to remote
work. Also open to learning a new language if needed. Experienced in picking
up code from others and looking after legacy systems as well as new
development.</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN-NZ> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><B><SPAN lang=EN-NZ style='FONT-FAMILY: "MS Sans Serif"'>Also experienced
as a Development Manager and Product Management.</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN-NZ>
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-NZ style='FONT-FAMILY: "MS Sans Serif"'>Anyone with an
opportunity can email me at <A href="mailto:gary@benner.co.nz"
target=_blank>gary@benner.co.nz</A> and I'll pass it on.</SPAN><SPAN
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<P><SPAN lang=EN-NZ style='FONT-FAMILY: "MS Sans Serif"'>cheers</SPAN><SPAN
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