<div dir="ltr">There is also DunitX and we also use Delphi Mocks. But yes using 'AAA' in C# is nice.<div><br></div><div>Jeremy</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Leigh Wanstead <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leigh.wanstead@gmail.com" target="_blank">leigh.wanstead@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Jeremy,</div><div><br></div>I think Dunit in Delphi cannot compete with typemock in C# which can use AAA. i.e. change current time to suit the unit test :-)<div>
<br></div><div>Regards</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Leigh</div>
</font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 July 2014 11:33, Jeremy Coulter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jscoulter@gmail.com" target="_blank">jscoulter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">To follow on from John Bird's comments, I have been involved in technical interviews of potential employees many times and the biggest problem we find is we get a number of applicants who are RAD developers and struggle with code separation techniques and using unit test with DUnit etc. let alone ones who can't solve simple SQL problems!<br>
<div>Thats not to say RAD developers can't become developers who can learn how to do code separation unit tests. Its just a change in mind set.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Jeremy</div>
</font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:20 AM, John Bird <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkbird@paradise.net.nz" target="_blank">johnkbird@paradise.net.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000">
<div>OK that begs a further discussion!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>What in your eyes makes a developer “good” as opposed to thinking they are
good – specific qualities please of what the good qualities are. I am
wondering if there are many opinions of what a “good” programmer is which might
explain why some think they are good whilst others think they are not.
What are the more objective measures?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I have worked on numerous projects the last few years and seen a lot of
different talents. Some that stick out in my experience are:</div>
<div> </div>
<ul>
<li>Technical proficiency – ie knowing already what is likely to be the best
technology to use to tackle a new problem
</li><li>OO depth. Is it innate or learned? How is it best
learned?
</li><li>Ability to mentor and guide others through existing code</li></ul>
<div>Curious to hear specifics from you as you have the reputation of a Delphi
authority!</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="jeremy.north@gmail.com" href="mailto:jeremy.north@gmail.com" target="_blank">Jeremy North</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:23 AM</div><div><div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington</div></div></div></div></div>
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<div dir="ltr">I know here (Australia) we would happily pay decent salaries if we
found Delphi developers that were actually good and didn't just *think* they
were good.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:muellers@orcl-toolbox.com" target="_blank">muellers@orcl-toolbox.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">As
a Swiss Delphi Developer living in New Zealand I find that interesting.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">Switzerland
isn’t exactly at the top of my mind when I think about the “value for bucks”
for outsourcing work to – not because you don’t get the quality, but because
salaries there are almost twice what you would have to pay
here.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Arial","sans-serif";COLOR:black"><br><br></span><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Arial","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Arial","sans-serif";COLOR:black">Kind
regards,<br><br></span><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Arial","sans-serif";COLOR:black">Stefan
Müller</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Arial","sans-serif";COLOR:black">,<br>R&D
Manager</span><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Arial","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><br><br></span><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Arial","sans-serif";BACKGROUND:red;COLOR:white">ORCL</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">
</span><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Arial","sans-serif";COLOR:black">Toolbox
Ltd.</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">
<br></span><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Arial","sans-serif";COLOR:black">Auckland,
New Zealand</span><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:webdings;COLOR:#777777"><br>P</span><span style="FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Arial","sans-serif";COLOR:#777777">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Tony Blomfield<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 3 July 2014 9:29
a.m.<br><b>To:</b> 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi
List'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in
Wellington<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">Gary.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">If
you would like to send the details to me I will have a chat with
them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">Unfortunately
we have had such a bad run with Kiwi Developers we moved our R&D over to
Switzerland last year where we get much more cost effective
results.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">Anyway,
I’d like to assess the person myself to see if they are
suitable.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">Kind
regards.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">Tony
Blomfield<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a> [<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Gary T. Benner<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 2 July 2014 2:32
p.m.<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi@delphi.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [DUG] Work Wanted in
Wellington<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-FAMILY:"MS Sans Serif"">HI
All,</span><span lang="EN-NZ"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-FAMILY:"MS Sans Serif"">This just passed in
if anyone can help:</span><span lang="EN-NZ"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-FAMILY:"MS Sans Serif"">Permanent
Developer available in Wellington.</span></b><span lang="EN-NZ">
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-FAMILY:"MS Sans Serif"">Experienced Senior
Delphi Developer looking for a permanent role in or around Wellington.
</span></b><span lang="EN-NZ"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-FAMILY:"MS Sans Serif"">Open to remote
work. Also open to learning a new language if needed. Experienced in picking
up code from others and looking after legacy systems as well as new
development.</span></b><span lang="EN-NZ"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-FAMILY:"MS Sans Serif"">Also experienced
as a Development Manager and Product Management.</span></b><span lang="EN-NZ">
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-FAMILY:"MS Sans Serif"">Anyone with an
opportunity can email me at <a href="mailto:gary@benner.co.nz" target="_blank">gary@benner.co.nz</a> and I'll pass it on.</span><span lang="EN-NZ"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-FAMILY:"MS Sans Serif"">cheers</span><span lang="EN-NZ"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-FAMILY:"MS Sans Serif"">Gary</span><span lang="EN-NZ"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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