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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Probably, the original poster might have been worried about avoiding developers who suffer from the Dunning-Krueger effect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Of course, when it’s a less technical person making a hiring decision for a more technical position, you can fall into this trap
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Anyway, as for your question, to my mind, ‘good’ is smart and gets things done i.e. high mental ‘bandwidth’ (high IQ) but without any large social deficits
(low EQ) so they can ‘play well’ with others.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You can’t easily ‘teach’ those two traits as they’re more long term developmental or personality characteristics.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> Paul.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bird<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 3 July 2014 11:22 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">OK that begs a further discussion!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">What in your eyes makes a developer “good” as opposed to thinking they are good – specific qualities please of what the good qualities are. I am wondering if there are many opinions
of what a “good” programmer is which might explain why some think they are good whilst others think they are not. What are the more objective measures?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I have worked on numerous projects the last few years and seen a lot of different talents. Some that stick out in my experience are:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Technical proficiency – ie knowing already what is likely to be the best technology to use to tackle a new problem
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">OO depth. Is it innate or learned? How is it best learned?
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Ability to mentor and guide others through existing code<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Curious to hear specifics from you as you have the reputation of a Delphi authority!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a href="mailto:jeremy.north@gmail.com" title="jeremy.north@gmail.com">Jeremy North</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:23 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz" title="delphi@listserver.123.net.nz">
NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I know here (Australia) we would happily pay decent salaries if we found Delphi developers that were actually good and didn't just *think* they were good.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Mueller <<a href="mailto:muellers@orcl-toolbox.com" target="_blank">muellers@orcl-toolbox.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As a Swiss Delphi Developer living in New Zealand I find that interesting.
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Switzerland isn’t exactly at the top of my mind when I think about the “value for bucks”
for outsourcing work to – not because you don’t get the quality, but because salaries there are almost twice what you would have to pay here.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Kind regards,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Stefan Müller</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">,<br>
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</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Toolbox Ltd.</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Auckland, New Zealand</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony Blomfield<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 3 July 2014 9:29 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Gary.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you would like to send the details to me I will have a chat with them.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Unfortunately we have had such a bad run with Kiwi Developers we moved our R&D over to Switzerland
last year where we get much more cost effective results.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Anyway, I’d like to assess the person myself to see if they are suitable.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kind regards.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tony Blomfield</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a> [<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary T. Benner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 2 July 2014 2:32 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi@delphi.org.nz</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"MS Sans Serif","serif";color:black">HI All,</span><span style="color:black">
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<p><span style="font-family:"MS Sans Serif","serif";color:black">This just passed in if anyone can help:</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"MS Sans Serif","serif";color:black">Permanent Developer available in Wellington.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"MS Sans Serif","serif";color:black">Experienced Senior Delphi Developer looking for a permanent role in or around Wellington.
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"MS Sans Serif","serif";color:black">Open to remote work. Also open to learning a new language if needed. Experienced in picking up code from others and looking after legacy systems as well as new development.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"MS Sans Serif","serif";color:black">Also experienced as a Development Manager and Product Management.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
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<p><span style="font-family:"MS Sans Serif","serif";color:black">Anyone with an opportunity can email me at
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<p><span style="font-family:"MS Sans Serif","serif";color:black">cheers</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
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<p><span style="font-family:"MS Sans Serif","serif";color:black">Gary</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
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<b>Mob:</b> 021 966 992<br>
<b>DDI:</b> <a href="tel:%2B64%207%20543%201206" target="_blank">+64 7 543 1206</a><br>
<b>Email:</b> <a href="mailto:gary@benner.co.nz" target="_blank">gary@benner.co.nz</a><br>
<b>Skype:</b> garybenner<br>
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