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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Jolyon,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’m curious – if you were Embarcadero what would you have done to support OS-X, iOS and Android? Keeping in mind that any solution has to allow single sourced code at least (if not GUI) between Windows and the new operating systems.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For various reasons I am not unhappy with the overall approach Embarcadero have taken, although I have doubts about the current implementation of their approach (ie I’m not convinced FireMonkey itself is everything it needs to be yet). But rather than going into that I am genuinely curious to know what you think Embarcadero should have done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jolyon Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 5 May 2014 11:13 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Auckland Event Details<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>What makes less sense is the way that they added support for those platforms. You are right to highlight the manner in which they have managed to tick boxes. Unfortunately it is <b>purely</b> an exercise in ticking boxes. Far less useful as a solid basis for continuing to be able to <b>keep</b> those boxes ticked.<br><br>Delphi was always a niche product. Despite the marketing, their cross-platform solution is <b>not</b> Delphi for "iOS/OS X/Android" (and it painfully clearly is not Delphi for .NET, let alone WinRT or WinPhone). It is "Delphi for FireMonkey", with the ability to deploy to any platform that FireMonkey manages to cajole a semblance of support for within the constraints of what the approach allows.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>i.e. you cannot build true Android solutions using FireMonkey because the way that FireMonkey works rules out certain capabilities of that platform. Similarly your FireMonkey Android apps will not benefit from ART. Sure, your FireMonkey app is "native code", but is also bogged down by the non-platform native frameworks required to make even "Hello World"possible, so whilst true platform native apps gain all the benefits that that platform delivers, FireMonkey remains stuck in it's own world.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>i.e. FireMonkey created a niche within a niche.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Having attracted the interest of Delphi developers to the platforms that FireMonkey ticks the boxes for, many of those developers will quickly realise the limits and look instead at the alternatives, at which point they realise just how far behind Delphi has fallen over the years while Embarcadero wasted their time on the Smoking Chimp.<br><br>As for the renewed interest in developing the VCL, this can be seen as a return to core value, or it could be seen as a belated recognition that FireMonkey is not in fact the secure future for Delphi/Embarcadero that it was supposed to be, and worst of all, without any viable strategy for supporting the platform on which that core value rests - i.e. the latest and future versions of Windows - even that core value is now at risk.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>For myself, I now use a combination of RemObjects Elements and Xcode for most of my work. Delphi is now very much a legacy platform.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5 May 2014 10:46, David Brennan <<a href="mailto:dugdavid@dbsolutions.co.nz" target="_blank">dugdavid@dbsolutions.co.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It was a good seminar IMO. I understand why Embarcadero have decided to spend so much time adding support for OS-X, iOS and Android, at some point we may even take advantage of it. More importantly though I’m glad they seem to have realised that now they have ticked those boxes they need to return to address quality across the product. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I just hope that XE7 will continue that trend so that the Delphi IDE and executables continue to improve in speed and robustness. I’m also hoping that XE7 will see a big push to make Code Insight bulletproof (or as bullet proof as such a thing can be, given that if you screw your syntax up completely midway through a big change it is always going to struggle, but it would be nice if it returned to fully operational once you tidy things up a bit!).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeremy Coulter<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 5 May 2014 10:10 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Auckland Event Details</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Yeah let us know hen its done. We didnt attend the presentation for various reasons, although it would have be good, so am looking forward to hearing what Marco had to say.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jeremy<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Alister Christie <<a href="mailto:alister@salespartner.co.nz" target="_blank">alister@salespartner.co.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I managed to spend a number of hours with Marco after the presentation, and have about an hour and a quarter recorded, which I will make available after Marco has reviewed it. It was great talking with him, it seems that Embarcadero made a good choice appointing him Product Manager for Rad Studio.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Alister <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'><br clear=all></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><pre><span style='color:#888888'>Alister Christie</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='color:#888888'>Computers for People</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='color:#888888'>Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='color:#888888'><a href="http://www.salespartner.co.nz" target="_blank">http://www.salespartner.co.nz</a></span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='color:#888888'>Follow us on Twitter <a href="http://twitter.com/salespartner" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/salespartner</a></span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='color:#888888'>PO Box 13085</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='color:#888888'>Johnsonville</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='color:#888888'>Wellington</span><o:p></o:p></pre></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Gary Benner <<a href="mailto:gary@benner.co.nz" target="_blank">gary@benner.co.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>HI All,<br><br>Sorry this is a little late but just got back from a trip overseas. <br><br>To endorse Alister's comment, great opportunity to meet Marco.<br><br>cheers<br><br>Gary<br><span lang=EN-US><br><br><br><br>Please see below details for the RAD XE6 Launch. Please will you forward this email invitation to members of the NZDUD to register/attend the event. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Date and Venue:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Friday, 02 May: Auckland</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Venue: Rydges Auckland - 59 Federal Street Cnr Kingston Street, Auckland 1010, New Zealand</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Time: 8.30am Registrations, 9:00am – 12:00pm </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://forms.embarcadero.com/AP14Q2NZDeveloperDirectLIVE" target="_blank">http://forms.embarcadero.com/AP14Q2NZDeveloperDirectLIVE</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The event will be hosted by Damien Bootsma with special guest-speaker, Marco Cantu, RAD Studio Product Manager, global luminary & author of over a dozen books on Delphi. This event is not to be missed, so register NOW, as spaces are limited! </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Be amongst the first to see live previews of RAD Studio XE6 and all of the great new technology, with the latest enhancements to the VCL and more. <br>Here's a glimpse of what is in store:</span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 width=460 style='width:345.0pt'><tr><td colspan=2 style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Empowering your VCL codebase and developer productivity<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width=20 style='width:15.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=440 style='width:330.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>• Give Your VCL apps a new look-and-feel with improved VCL Styling <br>• Introducing Win 7/8 taskbar buttons<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Database, integration and scalable services with RAD Studio XE6<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width=20 style='width:15.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=440 style='width:330.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>• Core Database Features Improvements<br>• New FireDAC Database Explorer and more<br>• Working with JSON and XML<br>• Building scalable and secure DataSnap services<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Embrace and Extend Your Mobile and VCL applications<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width=20 style='width:15.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=440 style='width:330.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>• App Tethering<br>• Not reinventing the wheel with new BAAS Client components<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>"Turning on" to mobile and The FM Application Platform<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width=20 style='width:15.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=440 style='width:330.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>• Introducing Android support in C++Builder XE6<br>• App Monetization with Advertising and In-App Purchases<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Evolution within a revolution: Summary and Q&A<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>If you are an application developer, technologist or development team leader and interested in modernising your VCL apps & extending your applications to mobile devices for your customers, then this event is for you!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>NZ Borland Developers Group - 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