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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It’s probably from a spam bot. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Don’t forget that data validation needs to happen client side and server side. Server side because if a user has javascript disabled it wouldn’t be validated … and also, nothing really stopping a bot from posting data directly without even requesting the page. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The usual ways to cut down on bots posting include Captcha, using Cookies/Sessions with CSRF tokens to make sure only someone who requested the page can actually post, checking the content with Aksimet/Defensio/etc for spam content … and so on. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>PS: It’s one of the reasons why I am not big on PHP. In PHP you kind of have to implement and handle this kind of security checking in every single form you do … and if you forget something somewhere then your website is under risk of getting abused/hacked. The asp.net framework does handle all of this basics for you out of the box. I feel very confident my websites will hold up much better to attacks then anything written in PHP.  Don’t get me wrong, I am not suggesting you ditch PHP just for your simple contact form, that would be overkill - just proof your php script better! But if you ever plan on doing something a bit bigger more complex with multiple input forms then I seriously suggest you think twice before using PHP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Kind regards,<br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Stefan Mueller</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>,<br>R&amp;D Manager</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:white;background:red'>ORCL</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Toolbox Ltd.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Auckland, New Zealand</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#777777'><br>P</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#777777'>&nbsp;Please consider the environment before printing this email<br><br>This message is intended for the adresse named above and may contain privileged or confidential information.<br>If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David O'Brien<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 19 March 2014 8:19 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Contact form page<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ>Possibly a Unicode or language problem?<br><br>Sent from my Windows Phone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-NZ>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-NZ><a href="mailto:jc@sunshinesoftware.co.nz">John C</a></span><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><br></span><b><span lang=EN-NZ>Sent: </span></b><span lang=EN-NZ>‎19/‎03/‎2014 8:16 p.m.</span><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><br></span><b><span lang=EN-NZ>To: </span></b><span lang=EN-NZ><a href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz">NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List</a></span><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><br></span><b><span lang=EN-NZ>Subject: </span></b><span lang=EN-NZ>[DUG] Contact form page</span><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Hi all</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I have this website with a contact page (in PHP &amp; html) where any person can submit a request with their contact details which is emails to me after clicking a submit button.</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>All works fine, however. So now and then I receive an email from this website/page but details don't seem being filled in at &quot;page level&quot; but in another way. This as the page does a submit validation check and the submitted phone number is e.g. &quot;</span><span lang=EN-NZ> LbXwjLfDDTFkIuBkPP</span><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> &quot; something my validator doesn't allow for. </span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Also other details are like:</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Name: </span><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>Bjmpynut</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Organisation: </span><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>ahTKXyxtYnCdo</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Position: </span><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>Bjmpynut</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Phone: </span><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>LbXwjLfDDTFkIuBkPP</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Email: </span><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'><a href="mailto:gipnpmhk@uohrokgr.com">gipnpmhk@uohrokgr.com</a></span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>All looks very suspicious. Any clues how this could happen at all and how to prevent this?</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>The webpage in question is at <a href="http://www.relacs.co.nz/ContactUs.php">http://www.relacs.co.nz/ContactUs.php</a></span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>The email creator resides in the post process of the page like:</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; if($_POST['Submit']==&quot;Submit&quot;)</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p c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";color:#0D0D0D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $body.= &quot;Subject: $Subject\n\n&quot;;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $body.= &quot;Comment: $Comment&quot;;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $Receiver&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = &quot;<a href="mailto:info@relacs.co.nz">info@relacs.co.nz</a>&quot; ;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $send = mail($Receiver, &quot;Feedback website - RELACS&quot;, $body, &quot;From: $Email&quot;);</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $Msg = &quot;Thank you $Name for your feedback. We will get back to you ASAP&quot;;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Thanks for any help and/or suggestions.</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>John Ch</span><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>