<div dir="ltr">Forgot to mention you can get a free 10-day trial just to see if the online material match your needs.<div><br></div><div>Well worth a look.</div><div><br></div><div>Colin</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 November 2013 17:18, Colin Johnsun <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:colin.adug@gmail.com" target="_blank">colin.adug@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Hi Stephen,<div><br></div><div>This time, I'll be constructive :P</div><div><br></div><div>I've found that some on-line training courses to be of great help.</div><div><br></div><div>Personally, I've have a yearly subscription to Pluralsight (<a href="http://www.pluralsight.com" target="_blank">www.pluralsight.com</a>).</div>
<div><br></div><div>This has an amazing number of quality on-line courses and there are a large number of .net courses.</div><div><br></div><div>These courses cover from the basic fundamentals to advance stuff on various .net frameworks and libraries.</div>
<div><br></div><div>On a cursory view of the pluralsight courses, I found a course on the fundamentals of VB.net. </div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately, you'll find that most courses (both on-line and face-to-face) tend to lean towards C# development.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In any case the advantage of Pluralsight, is that the cost of subscription ($US299) is cheaper than sending a person onto a one-week .net training course ( > $1000).</div><div>While, the training course is only for the one week, the Pluralsight subscription is for 12 months which mean you can revisit the online material as many times as you like in that 12 month period. Further, due to the many number of courses, you can take the course which matches to your level of knowledge and skip anything you feel is too basic and easy.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So your colleague's company can get a business annual subscription for 3-4 developers (US$299/person) for the same price as sending one developer for a one-week training course.</div><div><br></div>
<div>Regards,</div><div>Colin</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 November 2013 14:48, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephen@bertram.co.nz" target="_blank">stephen@bertram.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">While I agree that switching Delphi to C# (or VB) is simple on the surface, there are some significant differences in the libraries and the approach to some issues is fundamentally different to get an optimal result. Hence my colleagues wish to hit the ground running with the best roadmap he can.<div>
<br></div><div>Stephen<br><div><br><blockquote style="border-left:solid 2px #000000;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><div>---- Original Message ----<br><b>From</b>: Jeremy Coulter <<a href="mailto:jscoulter@gmail.com" target="_blank">jscoulter@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To</b>: "NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List" <<a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a>><br></div><div><div><b>Sent</b>: Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 4:40 PM<br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [DUG] Conversion training<br><br><div dir="ltr">I would agree. Don't do VB.net, move to C#. We do Delphi and C# and we basically learnt C# on the job writing code for a specific project making use of the plenty of good stuff on the net about how to do "stuff" in C#.<div>
The transition from Delphi to C# is quite straight forward if not similar (funnily enough). Once we learnt what we thought was enough we attended a C# course to see what we did wrong :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Jeremy</div>
<div><br><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:16 PM, David Brennan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dugdavid@dbsolutions.co.nz" target="_blank">dugdavid@dbsolutions.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-NZ" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Remind me in a few years to short sell shares of whatever company you’re dealing with…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:stephen@bertram.co.nz" target="_blank">stephen@bertram.co.nz</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 19 November 2013 3:58 p.m.</span></p><div><br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi Lis<br></div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Conversion training<u></u><u></u></div>
<p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">While we all agree with you that C# would be the way to go IF you have to go .Net, the powers that be (in Denmark) have decreed that VB is the be all and end all and they can get heaps of cheap Indian labour to cut code in it :-(<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Stephen<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">---- Original Message ----<br><b>From</b>: Colin Johnsun <<a href="mailto:colin.adug@gmail.com" target="_blank">colin.adug@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To</b>: "NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List" <<a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a>><br><b>Sent</b>: Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 3:47 PM<br><b>Subject</b>: Re: [DUG] Conversion training<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">If you have to move to .Net, why not do it properly and move to C#???<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">You really can't seriously talk about "future" development and VB.Net in the same sentence without someone choking on their lunch.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Colin<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 19 November 2013 10:44, <<a href="mailto:stephen@bertram.co.nz" target="_blank">stephen@bertram.co.nz</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi All<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I've been asked by a colleague for a recommendation for a training organisation (or trainer) to lead a team on the conversion from Delphi to .Net in the Auckland area. <span style="font-size:10.0pt">While the team is screaming at the change, the organisation has decreed that future development will be in (groan) VB.Net</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Most of the organisations advertising .Net training are offering courses for beginning developers while what is needed is cross training for experienced Delphi guys. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Anyone have any recommendations (other than find another job)?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
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