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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My 2 cents on it:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“.net is .net” – no matter which of the many .net-languages you use you will be able to use the whole .net framework from any of them. See <a href="http://www.developerfusion.com/article/9576/the-future-of-net-languages/">http://www.developerfusion.com/article/9576/the-future-of-net-languages/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This site here says C# has 3-times more popular than VB.NET .. <a href="http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html">http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html</a> ... sticking to something that is popular is probably a wise decision. The more popular something is the more access you will have to developers and community support. I am a C# guy and love it .. but all of that said, VB.NET seems to be popular enough to make it a valid & viable choice too.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am sure many old-timer Delphi developers still have that mindset that VB developers are mostly second-class programmers with bad OOP skills and often lacking technical knowledge. But let’s be fair – ever since the release of VB.Net that labeling is probably no longer warranted. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Kind Regards,<br>Stefan Mueller</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#585757'> <br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666699'>_______________________<br>R&D Manager<br>ORCL Toolbox LLP, Japan<br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.orcl-toolbox.com/" title="blocked::http://www.orcl-toolbox.com/"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>http://www.orcl-toolbox.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>stephen@bertram.co.nz<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi Lis<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Conversion training<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>While we all agree with you that C# would be the way to go IF you have to go .Net, the powers that be (in Denmark) have decreed that VB is the be all and end all and they can get heaps of cheap Indian labour to cut code in it :-(<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Stephen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>---- Original Message ----<br><b>From</b>: Colin Johnsun <<a href="mailto:colin.adug@gmail.com">colin.adug@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To</b>: "NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List" <<a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a>><br><b>Sent</b>: Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 3:47 PM<br><b>Subject</b>: Re: [DUG] Conversion training<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you have to move to .Net, why not do it properly and move to C#???<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You really can't seriously talk about "future" development and VB.Net in the same sentence without someone choking on their lunch.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Colin<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 19 November 2013 10:44, <<a href="mailto:stephen@bertram.co.nz" target="_blank">stephen@bertram.co.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi All<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I've been asked by a colleague for a recommendation for a training organisation (or trainer) to lead a team on the conversion from Delphi to .Net in the Auckland area. <span style='font-size:10.0pt'>While the team is screaming at the change, the organisation has decreed that future development will be in (groan) VB.Net</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Most of the organisations advertising .Net training are offering courses for beginning developers while what is needed is cross training for experienced Delphi guys. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Anyone have any recommendations (other than find another job)?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Stephen<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<br>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a><br>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi" target="_blank">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><br>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-request@listserver.123.net.nz</a> with Subject: unsubscribe<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>