I see where you are coming from. <div><br></div><div>But this isn't just a programmer issue. I remember working for a company in Auckland where I was expected to turn up for work at 7am every day and anyone who left the office before 5:30 was "suspect". I was regularly sent to Sydney where I had to be at the airport at 4am for a 7am flight (in those days where 3 hour checkins were required). Spend the entire day in an office or taxi in Sydney, then fly home (never ever put up for the night) where I wouod finally walk into my apartment just after midnight. I was still expected to give a debriefing to everyone at 7am.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Yes, that was salary, no overtime, no bonuses, not even a Christmas gift, just salary - and although I had a training budget, I was never allowed to be away from work to attend any training. Training had to be done in my own time, but as I was regularly working through weekends for a customer presentation on Monday, I didn't have any of that stuff.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Hart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Cameron.Hart@flowsoftware.co.nz" target="_blank">Cameron.Hart@flowsoftware.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Salary is "salary", not hourly rate :)<br clear="all">
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 31 July 2013 8:40 a.m.<br>
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