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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Aye. We have what we consider to be a reasonably easy first test and we only interview people with at least an A- average from University and yet more than half still fail the test. Admittedly we are looking for 100% correct but the test is simple enough that this shouldn’t be too high a bar, the answer is less than a dozen logic and arithmetic expressions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>After the first test we have a harder second test which has a few subtleties which we don’t expect anyone to get in a test situation, this provides a better gauge than the first test which is basically a boolean gate, pass or fail.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Back to Steve’s question, you have to qualify what you mean as it depends on experience. A graduate developer worth hiring probably gets 45-55k in their first year I would say, and then goes up from there based on how they perform.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeremy North<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 31 July 2013 11:23 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Average Salary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you are looking to hire, I suggest you be prepared to pay for a good one. Make sure you have a good test though, my experience is that there are a lot of "guru", "expert", "senior" Delphi developers out there that are absolutely useless. Drag and drop code zombies.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The last time we hired (about 15 months ago) we sifted through about 50 (sometimes questionable) resumes and interviewed 8. Three of those walked out of the test at various stages (one read it and left - said we wouldn't like the answer he would give WTF!) and the test wasn't super hard - I wrote it :-) (we were looking to fill a senior level position). It isn't always about completing the test, but having a candidate acknowledge they don't know something is 400% better than them trying to talk around it and guess.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>At the end of the day, I don't consider any of the people I work with "average" developers. I wouldn't like to work with average people.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Steve Peacocke <<a href="mailto:steve@peacocke.net" target="_blank">steve@peacocke.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Everyone,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I was just wondering, what is the average salary for a permanent Delphi developer out there in the marketplace these days?<span style='color:#888888'><br clear=all><span class=hoenzb><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><br>Steve Peacocke<br>Mobile: <a href="tel:%2B64%20220%20612-611" target="_blank">+64 220 612-611</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><a href="http://nz.linkedin.com/pub/steve-peacocke/1/a06/489" target="_blank">Linkedin Professional Profile</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<br>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a><br>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi" target="_blank">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><br>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@listserver.123.net.nz">delphi-request@listserver.123.net.nz</a> with Subject: unsubscribe<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>